Craving Peaches Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Who is the author of the pink letter? This is an intriguing mystery. The main three candidates that seem to be nominated are: 1. Ramsay 2. Stannis 3. Mance Now, I don't think any of them are a perfect fit, but I think in this case Ramsay seems to fit better than the others. There are still some issues with him as author, but I think the other two have their own problems that are greater than Ramsay's and so make them less likely than him to be the writer in my view. I think this is a case where who we are told is the author really is just the author. The obvious answer is the correct one. But I am keeping my mind open. If anyone has really good evidence for the others it may convince me. So, who do you think wrote it, and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrisdaw Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 It's a mystery created by a small but vocal aspect of the fandom. Ramsay wrote the pink letter and the mystery to it is what is and isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the West Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 It isn't Stannis. Whatever his flaws are or will turn out to be in the future, disinformation and dishonesty aren't among them. I guess one make the argument that a person who's down with birthing shadow babies to commit fratricide is only a stone's throw away from penning a poison letter designed to yank John's chain. That smacks more of expediency, or even a bit of cowardice, since Renly may likely have handed him a crushing defeat. But the letter. It doesn't seem like his style, either in content or delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mark of the West said: dishonesty I think one could make the case that he is dishonest with himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: the only military genius around is Stannis the Mannis himself. Stannis is only as good as George needs him to be though. If Ramsay needs to win or at least live to fight another day for the plot, he will. 11 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: so he can trick him into making him the Lord of Wifi. Jon Stark, the Lord of WiFi. Ensuring perfect reception for all his subjects. A dream come true! Serious Mode back on. Stannis hasn't been deceptive this in this fashion before though. Why start now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kissdbyfire Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Craving Peaches said: Who is the author of the pink letter? This is an intriguing mystery. The main three candidates that seem to be nominated are: 1. Ramsay 2. Stannis 3. Mance Oh the list is much longer than that! But yes, these are the ones w/ more supporters. As a matter of fact, I think it’s possible 2 & 3 have more supporters than 1. 57 minutes ago, chrisdaw said: It's a mystery created by a small but vocal aspect of the fandom. Ramsay wrote the pink letter and the mystery to it is what is and isn't true. This is, I think, a first? But I agree w/ you on this completely. 52 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Stannis hasn't been deceptive this in this fashion before though. Why start now? For me it’s worse than that, b/c I don’t really see the point in Stannis sending such a letter to Jon. The idea that the letter would cause Jon to rush to Winterfell (or whatever) sounds a tad insane to me. How can he predict how Jon would react? If he is desperate for help, would he put his hopes in a letter that can very easily not be delivered, or ignored, or read by someone else? Sounds absurd to me. Mance, too. Why? What does he hope to achieve? I have yet to hear/read a credible explanation for any of these questions. There are many questions regarding the contents of the letter but, imo, not its authorship. The other thing that is worth remembering is that Jon receives the PL after TWoW Theon I. To be honest, I was kind of surprised when I saw so many disputing the letter’s authorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kissdbyfire Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Corvo the Crow said: TWoW Theon I, yes, the same TWoW Theon I which has this And? Not being snarky, but genuinely don’t see what that has to do w/ who wrote the letter… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Darth Sidious Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Stannis and Mance doesn’t know that Arya is really Jeyne. The writer does. He took great care to use “bride” instead of Arya. He knows that Jon will know soon enough. Ramsay wrote the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: It has to do with you mentioning the letter being sent after that chapter. In that very chapter Stannis tells him you may hear I'm dead and It may even be true, so he may hear that Stannis is dead even if no such thing has happened. Now why would he hear such a thing, why does Stannis expect Massey to hear that he's dead despite being alive? Gotcha. I think that line to Massey has to do w/ his immediate plans for the battle, not the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nevets Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 It's not Stannis. I'm perfectly willing to believe he could be dishonest, but he isn't going to write that particular letter. He especially isn't going to make threats against Melisandre and his family. That raises the possibility they could flee or be forced to flee. I don't think Stannis wants that. And I fail to see a reasonable motive. If Jon wanted to, he could simply go to Winterfell with a suitable escort saying it's in response to Ramsay's accusations. That's official business, so if Ramsay's not there, he turns around. And that's assuming he leaves in the first place. Jon's actual actions were a surprise to everyone, including most readers, I expect. Becoming Lord of Winterfell isn't in the cards. Ramsay has motive and probably necessary knowledge. He needs FArya back, preferably before anyone realizes she's gone, and if he decides Jon is a real danger, he gives himself a causus belli to attack the Watch after they fail to turn over hostages. If Stannis fakes his death, it would be to fool Ramsay. The story would probably spread, so Massey could easily hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: Hasn't he? He's already being deceptive with killing Lord of Bones and Glamouring Mance That was, if I remember correctly, Melisandre's idea not his. 7 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: I said before, him being deceptive goes at the very least as early as Fair Isle. Deception in military strategies isn't really the same as the deception used in writing the letter though, in my opinion. 7 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: He's more flexible than he himself can imagine. He's certainly very flexible when it comes to himself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Clegg Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 As a thought experiment, if we assume Ramsay didn't write the letter then it had to be someone who knew Ramsay fairly well, or at least his style of speech, as the tone of the letter reeks of him (no pun intended). Now, Mance Rayder may be in Ramsay's vicinity observing him. So he could have picked up on some of his mannerisms. But the person who knows what Ramsay is truly like is Theon - to his cost, as we know. He also knows about events in Winterfell. Couldn't he have written it or helped the writer to make it seem authentic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Sandy Clegg said: But the person who knows what Ramsay is truly like is Theon - to his cost, as we know. He also knows about events in Winterfell. Couldn't he have written it or helped the writer to make it seem authentic? This is a good point. I think if Theon wrote it, it would be him writing it himself or writing on Mance's behalf, and not on Stannis' behalf. I just really feel that it wouldn't be Stannis' style. But Theon never brings up the possibility of writing a letter in his POV chapters, as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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