Only 89 selfies today Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) From our favorite author himself. Listen to what George said about Dany's Unsullied soldiers. This should put away all doubts as to how well they will do in Westeros. The Unsullied will be superb in battle. They will be better with the addition of the Dothraki. Dany will have the advantage in battle in Westeros. The arguments that The Unsullied are ineffective soldiers do not hold water. Edited October 25, 2022 by Only 89 selfies today Skahaz mo Kandaq, Pontius Pilate, Darryk and 12 others 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 GRRM calls them 'potent soldiers' and says they would give an advantage (at the heart of an army, implying they would need to be supported). What he does not say, and what people on the other thread were claiming, is that the Unsullied will demolish with ease anyone they come up against. Aside from all the other things people have mentioned, there are too few of them to do that. And it would be bad writing. 2 hours ago, Only 89 selfies today said: They will be better with the addition of the Dothraki. The Dothraki aren't even mentioned in this video... Another thing that's interesting is that GRRM mentions they 'live for the unit'. But I wonder how long that will last. Daenerys is giving them more freedom to explore, and choose their own names, even to try and find love. So I would expect that soon enough they would have something else than just the unit to live for. Ser Arthurs Dawn and Aldarion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) . Edited July 30, 2023 by Corvo the Crow astarkchoice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Only 89 selfies today said: From our favorite author himself. Listen to what George said about Dany's Unsullied soldiers. This should put away all doubts as to how well they will do in Westeros. The Unsullied will be superb in battle. They will be better with the addition of the Dothraki. Dany will have the advantage in battle in Westeros. The arguments that The Unsullied are ineffective soldiers do not hold water. Well done. That settles the debate for me. Daenerys will bring a very formidable force to Westeros consisting of Unsullied and Dothraki. Northern Sword, Only 89 selfies today, maesternewton and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: GRRM calls them 'potent soldiers' and says they would give an advantage (at the heart of an army, implying they would need to be supported). What he does not say, and what people on the other thread were claiming, is that the Unsullied will demolish with ease anyone they come up against. Aside from all the other things people have mentioned, there are too few of them to do that. And it would be bad writing. The Dothraki aren't even mentioned in this video... Another thing that's interesting is that GRRM mentions they 'live for the unit'. But I wonder how long that will last. Daenerys is giving them more freedom to explore, and choose their own names, even to try and find love. So I would expect that soon enough they would have something else than just the unit to live for. To be fair it always went without saying theyd need to be supported , dany had barely under 10k.of them and thats before the mereen insurrection...even before we talk testosterone, armour,weapons or tactics its simply too small a force to do anything in westeros on its own!! Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: GRRM calls them 'potent soldiers' and says they would give an advantage (at the heart of an army, implying they would need to be supported). What he does not say, and what people on the other thread were claiming, is that the Unsullied will demolish with ease anyone they come up against. Aside from all the other things people have mentioned, there are too few of them to do that. And it would be bad writing. The Dothraki aren't even mentioned in this video... Another thing that's interesting is that GRRM mentions they 'live for the unit'. But I wonder how long that will last. Daenerys is giving them more freedom to explore, and choose their own names, even to try and find love. So I would expect that soon enough they would have something else than just the unit to live for. All good soldiers live for the unit. Loyalty to comrades is the strongest bond among soldiers. Prior to that, they were expected to live for their masters. That's why, in practice, slave soldiers will eventually turn against their masters. They develop strong bonds with each other, and come to realise that the masters need them, far more than they need the masters. Morte, Targaryen_Fangirl and Nathan Stark 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: To be fair it always went without saying theyd need to be supported , dany had barely under 10k.of them and thats before the mereen insurrection...even before we talk testosterone, armour,weapons or tactics its simply too small a force to do anything in westeros on its own!! To all people being reasonable or logical, yes. However I am almost certain that some parties will use this to 'prove' their claims that Daenerys can take Westeros with Unsullied alone. 32 minutes ago, SeanF said: All good soldiers live for the unit. Loyalty to comrades is the strongest bond among soldiers. Prior to that, they were expected to live for their masters. I think that because Danerys is giving them more freedoms they will soon have more to live for than just their unit. 34 minutes ago, SeanF said: That's why, in practice, slave soldiers will eventually turn against their masters. They develop strong bonds with each other, and come to realise that the masters need them, far more than they need the masters. That doesn't seem to have happened in the ~400 years the Unsullied were being produced though. It doesn't seemed to have happened anywhere with slavery so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) I suppose a little thought their about uses their ability to climb mountains at night (ridiculous) would be useful for taking forts/castles by suprise in the dark! We can assume theit ability to march at speed without tireing would be useful (occupy favourable positions on battleground before enemy arrive) and to form various formations at the drop of of a hat. Their level of individual skill and skill at moving and fighting as a unit should be amazing due to their stupidly intense training. The new ghis legions do form squares capable of troubling knights (w of winter exerts) so we can assume our eunchs can too and at the sort of speed youd expect from a lifetime.of nothing but training The '3 spears + short sword thing' is confusing , closest i can think of is i had read of the evolution of romes legionares using pilums to darts but along the way various heavier germanic throwing spears were introduced (as the legions took in more of their former enemies)and later legions may have used one fixed heavy fighting spear and held 2 throwing ones in their sheild (possibly with differing weights for different distances so the legion advanced with the heavier spears thrown at shorter distance) Edited October 25, 2022 by astarkchoice Northern Sword and Morte 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarion Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 14 hours ago, Only 89 selfies today said: From our favorite author himself. Listen to what George said about Dany's Unsullied soldiers. This should put away all doubts as to how well they will do in Westeros. The Unsullied will be superb in battle. They will be better with the addition of the Dothraki. Dany will have the advantage in battle in Westeros. The arguments that The Unsullied are ineffective soldiers do not hold water. OK, so Martin doesn't know history he is basing things on. Well, it is his story - and as I have said, what gets me up in the arms is primarily the fact that so many people read stories like his and then think "this is how it really was". But even so, "advantage" does not mean "unstoppable" the way people in other threads had been claiming. Morte and Ser Arthurs Dawn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Only 89 selfies today said: From our favorite author himself. Listen to what George said about Dany's Unsullied soldiers. This should put away all doubts as to how well they will do in Westeros. The Unsullied will be superb in battle. They will be better with the addition of the Dothraki. Dany will have the advantage in battle in Westeros. The arguments that The Unsullied are ineffective soldiers do not hold water. Yup. Robert's fear of the Dothraki and now this confirmation from GM of the superiority of the Unsullied are proof that they are able to deliver victories for Dany when she gets to Westeros. Edited October 25, 2022 by Here's Looking At You, Kid maesternewton, Only 89 selfies today and astarkchoice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Aldarion said: OK, so Martin doesn't know history he is basing things on. Well, it is his story - and as I have said, what gets me up in the arms is primarily the fact that so many people read stories like his and then think "this is how it really was". But even so, "advantage" does not mean "unstoppable" the way people in other threads had been claiming. Ok, correct. Advantage does not mean unstoppable. But the question was how would the Dothraki and the Unsullied do in Westeros based on the data that we have. They would do well, based on the data. But yeah, sure, anything can happen. The Children could pull a miracle and raise giants. GM could bring in a yet unknown element like ice spiders. No guarantee of victory just a prediction that they will do well. maesternewton and Only 89 selfies today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 The Unsullied are the elite fighting corps of Daenerys Targaryen's armed forces. Best of the best. Khal Rhaego Targaryen, maesternewton, Rosetta Stone and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Meereen, Qarth, and Volantis are fat with gold. The Freedmen will happily make generous donations to Her Majesty's armies and employ every available armorer for the needs of her troops. We already know that the Return will happen in the future. Years from now. There is ample time to build weapons and armor for the Unsullied. maesternewton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen 747 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 10/24/2022 at 11:32 PM, Only 89 selfies today said: From our favorite author himself. Listen to what George said about Dany's Unsullied soldiers. This should put away all doubts as to how well they will do in Westeros. The Unsullied will be superb in battle. They will be better with the addition of the Dothraki. Dany will have the advantage in battle in Westeros. The arguments that The Unsullied are ineffective soldiers do not hold water. The Unsullied and the khalasars will claim Westeros for Daenerys. I just do not see any army on Westeros who are strong enough to win against them. They have trained every day for ten years. All of the weak among them have been culled. The Dothraki are the best riders and second only to the Summer Islanders in archery. Darth Sidious, maesternewton and Skahaz mo Kandaq 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 On 10/25/2022 at 6:54 AM, SeanF said: All good soldiers live for the unit. Loyalty to comrades is the strongest bond among soldiers. Prior to that, they were expected to live for their masters. That's why, in practice, slave soldiers will eventually turn against their masters. They develop strong bonds with each other, and come to realise that the masters need them, far more than they need the masters. Volantis and Qarth will see a revolution. Aldarion and Morte 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 I am sure the slaves of Volantis will rise and win their freedom from their masters. They have strong leaders who can lead the rebellion. I don't know about Qarth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skahaz mo Kandaq Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 On 10/25/2022 at 6:44 AM, astarkchoice said: To be fair it always went without saying theyd need to be supported , dany had barely under 10k.of them and thats before the mereen insurrection...even before we talk testosterone, armour,weapons or tactics its simply too small a force to do anything in westeros on its own!! Westeros is not going to have many fit men of the right age available. Winter and war has ravaged the land. People are dying on the battlefields. The Unsullied will have the Dothraki to help them. Two or three large khalasars will be more than Westeros could handle. Pontius Pilate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Timestamp, please? I'm not listening to that. Corvo the Crow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Timestamp, please? I'm not listening to that. I think it was about halfway through. The first part is just about Barristan. Jaenara Belarys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 15 hours ago, Skahaz mo Kandaq said: Westeros is not going to have many fit men of the right age available. Winter and war has ravaged the land. People are dying on the battlefields. The Unsullied will have the Dothraki to help them. Two or three large khalasars will be more than Westeros could handle. The strength of dorne is still untapped , about half the north ,westerlands and riverlands and stormlands strength still there and alllmost all the crownlands. The ironborn has jsut started their warfare and the reachs manpowwr was barely touched in the war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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