Star Wars - Andor Spoilers (And Scot's Old Ass TV)

[Rhom]

I always assumed they were making parts for the Death Star. 

There would be something poetic about Cassian being part of making the Death Star... and then die as a part of destroying the Death Star.

[Werthead]

1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

I think R1 looks like it is cut to ribbons. They clearly left alot on the floor.

I think that's really only the case when you compare it to the early trailer, which had drastically different takes, cuts and even events going on. By itself, R1 feels pretty tight.

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I always assumed they were making parts for the Death Star. 

Ironic if they were making part of the exhaust port redundant shielding system and after their escape, Galen Erso convinced the Empire it wasn't really needed and they could just skip it.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Just now, Werthead said:

I think that's really only the case when you compare it to the early trailer, which had drastically different takes, cuts and even events going on. By itself, R1 feels pretty tight.

That’s my point.  It seems to me, after I rewatched R1 last week, it was supposed to be a longer slower film with characters that were better fleshed out.

[Corvinus85]

21 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That’s my point.  It seems to me, after I rewatched R1 last week, it was supposed to be a longer slower film with characters that were better fleshed out.

Most of the parts that were cut and/or re-shot were action scenes, like the fact that the trailer shows the main characters running on the beach with AT-CT's shooting at them, or that Vader was supposed to kill the main characters instead of having him butcher a bunch of randos in the hallway.

[RumHam]

2 hours ago, Myrddin said:

Interesting interview. TBH, I forgot he even played Snoke until I read it.

Same here.

50 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

or that Vader was supposed to kill the main characters instead of having him butcher a bunch of randos in the hallway.

I'm glad they changed that. It was brutal enough when it was just the randos. Also now I'm wondering if one of them was Rando Calrission. 

[Corvinus85]

I'm listening to the Andor soundtrack, so far released up to episode 8. A great soundtrack, and I can't wait for the episode 10 songs.

The Tales of the Jedi soundtrack is also very good.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Corvinus85

[Werthead]

Started watching Clone Wars Season 6 (I only watched S1-5 a few years ago and stopped, mainly because I had them on Blu-Ray and S6 wasn't available at the time). Very impressive stuff. The "almost" discovering the Order 66 implant but failing was a real "what if?" moment that has interesting ramifications.

[Ran]

Yeah, really loving the soundtrack for the show, and the concept of doing a different variation on the main theme for each and every episode.

Re: what they're building, it seems clear from, IIRC, Tony Gilroy's answer in the interview I linked earlier that his view is that they're building something for the Empire, anyways, but it didn't seem he put too much thought in it beyond that. Or maybe he was being coy, given Serkis's answer. Either way, it's definitely material labor they're doing, not just useless makework for the hell of it.

[Heartofice]

14 minutes ago, Werthead said:

Started watching Clone Wars Season 6 (I only watched S1-5 a few years ago and stopped, mainly because I had them on Blu-Ray and S6 wasn't available at the time). Very impressive stuff. The "almost" discovering the Order 66 implant but failing was a real "what if?" moment that has interesting ramifications.

I’m really trying to get to this point in Clone Wars but it’s slow going. Still on season one, so many episodes.

When I saw there was an episode where C3PO teams up with Jar Jar Binks all I could think was that this was some sort of sick joke. 

[Tyrosh Lannister]

A good series. Obi Wan series was trash. I want more dialogue and less action, more politics and evil competent empire like the way andor does.

[Tyrosh Lannister]

12 hours ago, Corvinus85 said:

I'm listening to the Andor soundtrack, so far released up to episode 8. A great soundtrack, and I can't wait for the episode 10 songs.

The Tales of the Jedi soundtrack is also very good.

That beach planet soundtrack was amazing 

[Ran]

So this is what Studio Ghibli was teasting, a one-off hand-animated short titled Zen: Grogu and Dust Bunnies.

[Werthead]

15 hours ago, Heartofice said:

I’m really trying to get to this point in Clone Wars but it’s slow going. Still on season one, so many episodes.

When I saw there was an episode where C3PO teams up with Jar Jar Binks all I could think was that this was some sort of sick joke. 

It does improve immensely. They sometimes have "comedy" episodes that are a bit of a stretch, although the "Artoo assembles a rumble squad of decrepit droids" was pretty good. And Jar-Jar is barely in the show, usually one or two episodes a season, and rarely the focus.

[mormont]

The answer to ‘is Jar-Jar in this show too much?’ is the same as the answer to ‘is Jar-Jar in this show?’

[Lord Varys]

On 11/11/2022 at 11:12 PM, Heartofice said:

I’m really trying to get to this point in Clone Wars but it’s slow going. Still on season one, so many episodes.

When I saw there was an episode where C3PO teams up with Jar Jar Binks all I could think was that this was some sort of sick joke. 

As I said, go with the chronological order rather than season order. Not only can you get to better episodes earlier, you also don't get to prequels before the pilot in season 3.

Chronological Episode Order

I prefer to go with 'Trespass' as pilot, since that touches upon the original duties of the Jedi, closely followed by the first Mandalore arc (The Mandalore Plot, Voyage of Temptation, Duchess of Mandalore) which also seems to take place early in the war since it is about system who remain neutral and refuse to support either the Republic or the Confederacy.

Basically, all episodes which don't feature or reference Ahsoka and are not otherwise fixed in the chronology as taking place after this or that episode which has Ahsoka could take place in the very beginning of the war.

9 hours ago, Werthead said:

It does improve immensely. They sometimes have "comedy" episodes that are a bit of a stretch, although the "Artoo assembles a rumble squad of decrepit droids" was pretty good. And Jar-Jar is barely in the show, usually one or two episodes a season, and rarely the focus.

There are some good Jar Jar episodes in the show. He does team up with Mace Windu in that two-parter from the (not so) final half-season. I also like that two-parter where the robots expore that secret underground world on the planet they are left behind on.

[Heartofice]

5 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

As I said, go with the chronological order rather than season order. Not only can you get to better episodes earlier, you also don't get to prequels before the pilot in season 3.

Chronological Episode Order

I prefer to go with 'Trespass' as pilot, since that touches upon the original duties of the Jedi, closely followed by the first Mandalore arc (The Mandalore Plot, Voyage of Temptation, Duchess of Mandalore) which also seems to take place early in the war since it is about system who remain neutral and refuse to support either the Republic or the Confederacy.

Basically, all episodes which don't feature or reference Ahsoka and are not otherwise fixed in the chronology as taking place after this or that episode which has Ahsoka could take place in the very beginning of the war.

There are some good Jar Jar episodes in the show. He does team up with Mace Windu in that two-parter from the (not so) final half-season. I also like that two-parter where the robots expore that secret underground world on the planet they are left behind on.

Thanks, yeah I did go with the order from that list. Still it does mean I have to watch the first 2 seasons and it’s pretty painful at times. So far I’m basically skipping episodes which are clearly bad are just stupid and concentrating on the good moments. Those are pretty few and far between, I’m most of the way through season one and I can count on one hand the genuinely good moments. Just from going chronologically I can see that there will be an improvement. I could just skip a couple of seasons but that feels a bit extreme and maybe I’d be missing out?

[Lord Varys]

1 minute ago, Heartofice said:

Thanks, yeah I did go with the order from that list. Still it does mean I have to watch the first 2 seasons and it’s pretty painful at times. So far I’m basically skipping episodes which are clearly bad are just stupid and concentrating on the good moments. Those are pretty few and far between, I’m most of the way through season one and I can count on one hand the genuinely good moments. Just from going chronologically I can see that there will be an improvement. I could just skip a couple of seasons but that feels a bit extreme and maybe I’d be missing out?

I really like the show, so I'm the wrong person to suggest skips.

Especially Ahsoka's development is great - you have to see the bratty kid in all her 'Sky Guy' glory to appreciate who and what she later becomes.

Season 2's Geonosis arc is pretty good, I'd say, also the season finale feature young Boba Fett.

The biggest issue I've always had with the show was that the Republic/Jedi effectively never lose and the Separatists never win ... which is a pretty childish take on the war.

Season 1 profits somewhat more from watching the R2 arc before the Malevolence arc (the latter I actually pretty much enjoyed when first watching it - also the subsequent visit to Grievous' home and Ventress rescuing Nute Gunray).

[Werthead]

10 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

The biggest issue I've always had with the show was that the Republic/Jedi effectively never lose and the Separatists never win ... which is a pretty childish take on the war.

A big theme of the show is that every time the Republic wins, Palpatine also wins and the Jedi lose, something they are initially unaware of but become acutely more aware of as time passes. That was quite an interesting bit of tension that they keep going almost through the whole series.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Werthead

[Jaxom 1974]

3 hours ago, Werthead said:

A big theme of the show is that every time the Republic wins, Palpatine also wins and the Jedi lose, something they are initially unaware of but become acutely more aware of as time passes. That was quite an interesting bit of tension that they keep going almost through the whole series.

Right. Isn't that the point? The Separatists aren't supposed to win?

Sure, you'd think in a war there'd be some victories on both sides, not just one. But Palpatine needed the Jedi elevated to help facilitate their, "betrayal" and fall...as much as to have the systems part of the Separatists crushed...

[Lord Varys]

4 hours ago, Werthead said:

A big theme of the show is that every time the Republic wins, Palpatine also wins and the Jedi lose, something they are initially unaware of but become acutely more aware of as time passes. That was quite an interesting bit of tension that they keep going almost through the whole series.

That seems to be a too simplified view of things. The Separatists do need a viable and real threat so that Palpatine can push through ever more authoritarian security and surveillance measures, eroding what's left of the democratic system of the Republic.

But the CIS and especially its 'evil commanders' like Grievous, Ventress, and Dooku don't seem to be much of threat, especially in the earlier seasons.

They constantly lose planets and ships and literally none of their plans ever come to fruition. It is also pretty late that the concept of 'good Separatists' is introduced - something they could have done more with, too.

There are arcs where it is clear that the Separatist objective as such is clearly a sham - very well portrayed in the Banking Clan arc - but there are others where a Separatist victory could have benefited Palpatine's agenda. For instance, the Republic could have been driven off for good from Geonosis with it being a core CIS membership world, we could have gotten stories where the Jedi/Republic were pushed out of certain sectors and planets only to then later launch an invasion/campaign to liberate them. We could have seen how the course of the war caused several loyal Republic system to betray it and join the CIS because they (seemingly) offered better deals, etc.

And we could have seen more Jedi fall to Darth Tyranus and his thugs.

1 hour ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

Right. Isn't that the point? The Separatists aren't supposed to win?

In the end, yes, but during the war? No.

1 hour ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

Sure, you'd think in a war there'd be some victories on both sides, not just one. But Palpatine needed the Jedi elevated to help facilitate their, "betrayal" and fall...as much as to have the systems part of the Separatists crushed...

The Republic is kind of winning at the end, it seems, but it may have been better to keep it more even.