Corvo the Crow Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Title. Robert has reversed some of the things Mad King has done, he gave Merryweathers and Conningtons back their lands(well, a portion of them) which they were stripped of by Aerys II, why not Hollards also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 because they weren't important enough to bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 Robert constantly sees the guy and must know his story, he hates Targaryens guts, so undoing whatever they did would be in his interest as in he'll be satisfied but also in the way that CL is small and weak as it is, an additional castle keeping men would make much more difference than it would in any other region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: Title. Robert has reversed some of the things Mad King has done, he gave Merryweathers and Conningtons back their lands(well, a portion of them) which they were stripped of by Aerys II, why not Hollards also? because why would he? and you know who do those lands belong to if not Dontos ? and don't forget , in case of Conningtons , Aerys just exiled Jon . it was Robert who took 90% of the lands as well as the lordship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 30 minutes ago, EggBlue said: because why would he? and you know who do those lands belong to if not Dontos ? and don't forget , in case of Conningtons , Aerys just exiled Jon . it was Robert who took 90% of the lands as well as the lordship. Robert can take those lands back or a portion of those lands and return them to Dontos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 8, 2022 Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 24 minutes ago, EggBlue said: because why would he? and you know who do those lands belong to if not Dontos ? I doubt it is the crown since Duskendale was just given to Rykkers. 28 minutes ago, EggBlue said: and don't forget , in case of Conningtons , Aerys just exiled Jon . it was Robert who took 90% of the lands as well as the lordship. It was Aerys who stripped them of everything, Robert reinstated them as land holders again, but of a significantly lesser status than before, most of their former titles distributed and their status of Lord not given back, making them landed knights. Quote "Your father." Jaime eyed Red Ronnet's surcoat, where two griffins faced each other on a field of red and white. Dancing griffins. "Our late Hand's . . . brother, was he?" "Cousin. Lord Jon had no brothers." "No." It all came back to him. Jon Connington had been Prince Rhaegar's friend. When Merryweather failed so dismally to contain Robert's Rebellion and Prince Rhaegar could not be found, Aerys had turned to the next best thing, and raised Connington to the Handship. But the Mad King was always chopping off his Hands. He had chopped Lord Jon after the Battle of the Bells, stripping him of honors, lands, and wealth, and packing him off across the sea to die in exile, where he soon drank himself to death. The cousin, though—Red Ronnet's father—had joined the rebellion and been rewarded with Griffin's Roost after the Trident. He only got the castle, though; Robert kept the gold, and bestowed the greater part of the Connington lands on more fervent supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 After the Rebellion, Robert had to give rewards to his supporters and pardons to his powerful enemies. Dontos was not a powefull lord that needed to be adressed and he was not a supporter that proved himself, Robert had more to gain by giving the lands to a supporter or to forgive the new lord, he would not waste political captal in restoring a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Robert most likely didn't even notice Dontos Hollard, with Dontos having apparently taken neither side during the rebellion, and Dontos most likely didn't even think to present himself to Robert and to argue his case for the restoration of his house's former lands to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Dontos Hollard is more or less a broken knight by the start of the saga. Placing this guy as head of a newly founded House is a great risk to politics and economy, since lord Dontos would have to actually run things and answer to the Crown (since he is a crownlander). Another broken man who was lodged as a lordling was Lancel, and see how he fares. Besides, Aerys II killed all Dontos relatives. At this point, it would be cheaper to start anew. I don't think the council (and Robert) just ignored the possibility. Just discarded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Jon Fossoway said: Dontos Hollard is more or less a broken knight by the start of the saga. Placing this guy as head of a newly founded House is a great risk to politics and economy, since lord Dontos would have to actually run things and answer to the Crown (since he is a crownlander). Another broken man who was lodged as a lordling was Lancel, and see how he fares. Besides, Aerys II killed all Dontos relatives. At this point, it would be cheaper to start anew. I don't think the council (and Robert) just ignored the possibility. Just discarded it. Logical, but they didn’t bestow it to anyone either. A perfectly fine castle just left to be ruined. Westeros has plenty of them to be sure, but this is Crownlands, it has a higher population density than the rest of the regions so no risk of abandonment of a castle due to depopulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 18 hours ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said: Robert most likely didn't even notice Dontos Hollard, with Dontos having apparently taken neither side during the rebellion, Impossible with Dontos being at the court. 18 hours ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said: and Dontos most likely didn't even think to present himself to Robert and to argue his case for the restoration of his house's former lands to him. This doesn’t make sense for the average Westerosi but for a broken men and a drunkard like Dontos, yeah possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanSandman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 10:50 PM, Corvo the Crow said: Title. Robert has reversed some of the things Mad King has done, he gave Merryweathers and Conningtons back their lands(well, a portion of them) which they were stripped of by Aerys II, why not Hollards also? Dontos the drunk? You want Robert to give Dontos his land back? To what end? Where is the logic in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said: Dontos the drunk? You want Robert to give Dontos his land back? To what end? Where is the logic in that? Ummm... because, you know, these were Dontos' ancestral lands and Westeros society is so big about this kind of thing, being feudal and all that. Nobles, even those who have land enough to raise hundreds perhaps thousands of men bugger can bugger their liege for getting a single holdfast that used to belong to their family and Robert has already reinstated some nobles who were dispossessed of their lands by Aerys the Mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tyrosh Lannister Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said: Dontos the drunk? You want Robert to give Dontos his land back? To what end? Where is the logic in that? Those lands originally belonged to his House that Aerys took away. Robert opposed Aerys, and after the war he even granted the Merryweathers and the Connington's some of their lands back. He could have done the same with Hollard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley McLeod Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 1:50 AM, Corvo the Crow said: Title. Robert has reversed some of the things Mad King has done, he gave Merryweathers and Conningtons back their lands(well, a portion of them) which they were stripped of by Aerys II, why not Hollards also? Darklin did the unthinkable. He attacked his lawful king, King Aerys Targaryen, and held him prisoner. That is a grave sin in the eyes of all Westeros. Dontos is obviously not a party to what his kinsman did but it would have looked scandalous for the fledgling reign of Robert to give him lordship over what belonged to the Darklins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Wait, did Dontos fight on Robert's side during the rebellion or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Finley McLeod said: Darklin did the unthinkable. He attacked his lawful king, King Aerys Targaryen, and held him prisoner. That is a grave sin in the eyes of all Westeros. Dontos is obviously not a party to what his kinsman did but it would have looked scandalous for the fledgling reign of Robert to give him lordship over what belonged to the Darklins. He could've given him lordship of what belonged to Hollards. Hollrads were land owners in their own right, with their own castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanSandman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said: Ummm... because, you know, these were Dontos' ancestral lands and Westeros society is so big about this kind of thing, being feudal and all that. Nobles, even those who have land enough to raise hundreds perhaps thousands of men bugger can bugger their liege for getting a single holdfast that used to belong to their family and Robert has already reinstated some nobles who were dispossessed of their lands by Aerys the Mad. Not a ruined house like Dontos', with only a drunk left in the family that makes Robert look like a functioning drunk. There is no political gain from it, no alliances to be made, no quarrels that are fixed by it that are better off for it, nothing. Other than losing an opportunity to give those lands to someone else that does present and advantageous future prospect. Dontos wouldn't even make a good puppet save for Little Fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, sifth said: Wait, did Dontos fight on Robert's side during the rebellion or something? Did Merryweather fought on Robert's side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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