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So the Niners 7th round rookie quarterback Brock Purdy played amazing.  Cool in the pocket.  Like a regular Joe out slinging it in his backyard in Montana.  Reminds me of another great Niners rookie. 
 
Tim Rattay. 
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9 minutes ago, DMC said:

Er, Rattay threw three passes his first two years.  He didn't make a start until his fourth year.  He was a seventh rounder though.

You're right, I should have made my joke as factually accurate as possible.  That would have made it funnier. 

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20 hours ago, Nictarion said:

The Browns continue to give Burrow fits, but at least he finally got that monkey off his back. 

Another huge game for DJ Reader - completely shutting down Chubb and Hunt. 

So glad we didn’t lose to the scumbag. 

I thought Bengals played a pretty solid game. Losing Higgins and Boyd on the first few snaps of the game makes it a little harder given all the practice that happened with those guys and not with our WR5 and WR6 but I thought the adjustments were solid. I'd love to know how many of Burrow's interceptions this year have been due to batted passes; I think the last 4 are but I'm sure there are others early on. It's getting fairly tiresome how they keep finding a defenders hand but ours rarely do.

Sadly though, Bengals are again going to have to face some adversity with Higgins, Boyd and Hendrickson all hurt. It doesn't seem like season ending but definitely going to have near-term impacts on the team and hopefully we can fill the gaps enough to get to the MNF game with the Bills still riding a winning streak. Bucs next and then Patriots before the Bills.

Final point... Zac Taylor is a good HC. I've been reflecting on it this week and I've come around fairly strongly on that side of the fence. He's done a tremendous job and the running commentary seems to be "in spite of" but I would challenge that. 

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2 hours ago, Mexal said:

Final point... Zac Taylor is a good HC. I've been reflecting on it this week and I've come around fairly strongly on that side of the fence. He's done a tremendous job and the running commentary seems to be "in spite of" but I would challenge that. 

I still can't bring myself to agree with this, but you've got one hell of a team and clearly a top 5ish QB.

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20 minutes ago, Mexal said:

What's your justification?

I've just never seen anything from him that suggest he's an above average coach at best. I don't think he's particularly good at anything and if the ball bounces a few different ways last season the team might have let him go. Also having this helps a lot:

 

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15 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

I've just never seen anything from him that suggest he's an above average coach at best. I don't think he's particularly good at anything and if the ball bounces a few different ways last season the team might have let him go. Also having this helps a lot:

Yes, Burrow helps. Having a franchise QB helps any coach. What would you want to see to suggest he's a decent coach? 

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32 minutes ago, Mexal said:

Yes, Burrow helps. Having a franchise QB helps any coach. What would you want to see to suggest he's a decent coach? 

Not just a franchise QB, possibly one that's the second best in the league and I don't think you can say the scheme has anything to do with it. In fact, he might be overcoming it. I think the Bengals have had success for two seasons now because they have one truly special player and overall a lot of talent.

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51 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Not just a franchise QB, possibly one that's the second best in the league and I don't think you can say the scheme has anything to do with it. In fact, he might be overcoming it. I think the Bengals have had success for two seasons now because they have one truly special player and overall a lot of talent.

The talent doesn't happen in a vacuum, especially in Cincinnati. Nor does the development of that talent. Or adapting to a QB who tore his ACL and didn't have an offseason or had a burst appendix and didn't have a training camp. Nor does adjusting the offense mid season to get more out of the run and pass game or adjust to the way teams are playing you. Nor does adapting to not having some of that talent available (e.g., no Chase for 4 games, DJ Reader for 5 games, Higgins/Boyd out after 2 snaps, best corner lost to ACL injury, best LBs out multiple games last season). Nor does beating Andy Reid with the best QB in the league 3 times in a calendar year, being one play away from winning the Super Bowl with a team that hadn't won a playoff game in 32 years. Nor does taking a bunch of no name coordinators and making a coaching staff that is getting HC looks.

Like I get it, Cincinnati lucked out and got Joe Burrow. That helps a ton. Andy Reid lucked out and got Mahomes. Belichick lucked out and got Brady. Sean Payton got Brees. McDermott got Allen. Sirianni got Hurts. QBs are important and when we look at the teams that have won or competed for Super Bowls year after year, they all have great QBs. But I think it's somewhat unfair to ding Taylor for that fact. After week 2, when it was clear things weren't working this year (after Burrow didn't have yet another training camp), they adjusted the offense. After week 5, they adjusted the offense again. And each week, we see the Bengals adjust their game plan after halftime if its not working. Yes, Burrow helps, but he doesn't call the plays and that offense, that's 3rd in the league in EPA per play, that's on Taylor and his OC.

Anyway, I was curious what the argument against Taylor would be and it boiled down to "he had Burrow and got some breaks" which is fair until you realize that a team is more than Burrow and those breaks went both ways last year and this year and yet, they still have won 5 games in a row (after starting 0-2 by losing games on final play of game, won 9 of their last 11), they still overcame losing Chase for 4 games, Reader for 5 games, their best CB for 6 games, Mixon for 3 games and are actually a better and more complete team than last year. This in a year where everyone thought they would regress. That's not just Burrow.

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@Mexal, let me get back to you in a day or two. I want to do a bit of research because coaches can grow too. I'm basing my opinion of Taylor on what I saw during his first two and a half years when I found him to be rather unimpressive and credit Burrow, not coaching, being responsible for the largest share of the team's growth.

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13 minutes ago, dbunting said:

Looks like Murray has a serious knee injury, non contact and they play on grass for anyone keeping track of that stuff.

 

I considered posting about this, but decided not to. That injury didn't have anything that looked clear and obvious to me, but he was carted off and we can make our assumptions. What a disastrous year for the Cardinals. Hopefully it's not what the mind jumps to suspect and it just means his season is over without impacting next year.

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