Golos2022 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 52 minutes ago, Loose Bolt said: How would any invader feed that horde even during summer and during winter they would be as successful as Grande Armee 1814 at Russia. That should not be a problem near the coasts/ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 A lot of the examples given either look bad in retrospect, but were okay at the time; were the result of bad or incomplete information; are come out of character flaws, like Tywin's attitude towards Tyrion or Renly and Stannis hating each other. My list: Catelyn arresting Tyrion. It obviously got screwed up by her sister's mental instability, but she should have anticipated that Tywin wouldn't take it lying down. Better to let him go to KL and let Ned deal with it. As to him knowing she is in the Riverlands incognito, so what. Let it be a mystery. Plus, it's on the way to Riverrun, a more logical destination. Ned's inaction after Robert's fatal injury. I can understand him telling Cersei his knowledge of the incest; he expected Robert to have his back. But with Robert doomed, he needed to act decisively, and didn't. Take Renly's offer or something, and don't trust Littlefinger. Sansa going to Cersei to stay with Joffrey. She had your wolf killed, and he showed himself to be a bully and liar. You should know better. Fortunately, she's gotten more sensible. Arya naming Chiswyck to Jaqen. Weese I can understand - he was abusive towards her - but Chiswyck? Choose someone worthwhile. You only get three. Use them wisely. Robb marrying Jeyne. Way too much suspicious stuff going on. Jeyne has no reason to be spending time unchaperoned with him, and even less reason to be marrying her overlord's main enemy. Robb should have smelled a rat. By the way, KitN was foisted on him. He was essentially stuck with it. Theon taking Winterfell. I understand wanting to impress Daddy, but it's basically worthless. It's in the middle of nowhere, and surrounded by enemies, with no economic base. Also, he has no supply line and no escape route. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Loose Bolt said: How would any invader feed that horde even during summer and during winter they would be as successful as Grande Armee 1814 at Russia. Well theyd feed their army the same way the northerners feed themselves. The north has farms, livestock,game and food stores, its not barren. The lower feudal lords arent gonna burn their food en masse like the russians did nor will the ordinary serfs tolerate starving for the high lords...and even if they did the reach also have the largest military navy and merchant fleet to move food from their own area which is the 7 kingdoms breadbasket and enough wealth to import in more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 How about Addam Velaryon keep fighting in Rhaenyra's name ? Even after she tried to arrest him without cause, he raises a army for her cause, marches against 3 other dragons, and a larger enemy army, manages to win with the element of surprise but gets himself killed in the name of a worthless queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMantis Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Two obvious examples which I think haven't been mentioned yet: Tyrion not getting rid of Littlefinger when he knew that he had framed him and when his father had given him a free hand to deal with all traitors to the Lannisters. Stannis ignoring the huge Tyrell army assembled at Highbridge and assuming it would remain neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Aurane Waters taking his fleet to stepstones. He only had several ships and all were very large dromonds. He should've joined back with Stannis to reap a huge reward for his cunning and bravery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Everything Doran Martell does, or at least a good chunk of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Stannis not taking care of Tywin, before dealing with Kings Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, sifth said: Stannis not taking care of Tywin, before dealing with Kings Landing. Could he have done? Stannis only received a fraction of Renly's army at Bitterbridge and numbered 20,000 while Tywin had at least 50,000 under his command. Also this depends on timing with Littlefinger's deal with the Lannisters and whether or not he'd run into Robb's army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, sifth said: Stannis not taking care of Tywin, before dealing with Kings Landing. You should say Melisandre. Stannis couldn't but Mel could've and should've. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Angel Eyes said: Could he have done? Stannis only received a fraction of Renly's army at Bitterbridge and numbered 20,000 while Tywin had at least 50,000 under his command. Also this depends on timing with Littlefinger's deal with the Lannisters and whether or not he'd run into Robb's army. According to the wiki, Tywin only had about 20 thousand men, when he marched to face Robb in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, sifth said: According to the wiki, Tywin only had about 20 thousand men, when he marched to face Robb in the West. After all the losses Robb inflicted on the Lannister forces, smashing Jaime and then Starford's hosts, it's hardly surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Littlefinger taking Sansa under his wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 15 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: Everything Doran Martell does, or at least a good chunk of it. The case of Doran is similar of Balon Greyjoy. Their actions and reasons do not match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Could have gone out with 'honour' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Arthur Peres said: The case of Doran is similar of Balon Greyjoy. Their actions and reasons do not match. Oh but they do match in Balon's case, as his actions are just as stupid and delusional as his reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Cressen dying to poison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 57 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Cressen dying to poison. He should have had a backup plan. Should have had a dagger with him or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted December 11, 2022 Author Share Posted December 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said: Oh but they do match in Balon's case, as his actions are just as stupid and delusional as his reasons. He declared independence, attacked the only guy that was willing to reconized his title, and helped the side that hold his status as vassal. Then he asked the people that he was breaking away from, for help. I don't think this actions match with his objective of independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Arthur Peres said: He declared independence, attacked the only guy that was willing to reconized his title, and helped the side that hold his status as vassal. Then he asked the people that he was breaking away from, for help. I don't think this actions match with his objective of independence. He literally asks Tywin for a peace offer, even after he's already doing Tywin's work for him and he's too stupid to realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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