DMC Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 The House just voted - the seven days measure passed 221-207 with only 3 Republican yay votes. ants and Corvinus85 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Does the above vote settle the possibility of a rail strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Ah i see it over at Huffpost. House Votes To Impose Union Contract With Paid Sick Leave To Avoid Rail Strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Larry of the Lake said: Lol ok. The agreement they are trying asking the unions to accept was rejected by the majority of union members. They have to plan sick days 30 days in advance. Just of curiosity are you familiar with the details of this situation? There's absolutely no reason to not give the union more, other than placating corporate interests. If they cared about labor they'd care about it but they don't. Actions matter. Others have addressed this, and I agree the situation sucks, but the choice is get something that's not good enough but still something or get nothing. I'm almost always going to be the side of getting something AND THEN continue to demand for more. The all or nothing approach is typically foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Larry of the Lake said: Expecting some legislation to be passed today telling rail workers to go fuck themselves, with the full backing of Biden and Dem leadership. At least on the issue of workers vs huge corporate profits, Dems and Republicans agree: get back to fucking work and just be happy you have a job, rich people all over the country depend on it! Larry of the Lake -- IKR, hahaha! I've been following this ordeal with great fascination. Given what's at stake (billions a day and harm to other industries as well as the general population), Uncle Joe doesn't have a choice but to intervene. I'm sure he'll impose some additional concessions to the unions, though; right? And of course the politicians and wealthy have been exploiting the market -- UPS and the railroads have spiked in valuation this month! The chaos inherent here has been very exploitable, and I'm not sure it was entirely unintended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, JGP said: Good news. What can that carry where he was charged? My guess: Until the next Republican president gets a chance to pardon them. *** Nice mashup of Fuentes and Fox News: Edited November 30, 2022 by Mindwalker Tywin et al. and JGP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 As the WaPo article on this I put up yesterday, sentencing of Rhoades will be in the 6 - 7 years range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Zorral said: As the WaPo article on this I put up yesterday, sentencing of Rhoades will be in the 6 - 7 years range. Should be in the fed to 6-7 sharks range. LongRider, Zorral, Paladin of Ice and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Should be in the fed to 6-7 sharks range. With fricken lazer beams attached to their heads! JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, LongRider said: With fricken lazer beams attached to their heads! Murika can only use one AP clip at the moment: LongRider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Probably nothing, but hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lake Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: Others have addressed this, and I agree the situation sucks, but the choice is get something that's not good enough but still something or get nothing. I'm almost always going to be the side of getting something AND THEN continue to demand for more. The all or nothing approach is typically foolish. This isn't some situation independent of the administration. The 'agreement' was mediated by the Secretary of Labor. Congress could do nothing and let the unions strike. It's possible a strike happens anyway. Instead they essentially are getting a raise and a closer to human schedule-- but the votes might not even be in the Senate to pass anything. If Biden or congressional Dems wanted to do more, they would. At least fucking make some noise. Instead it's "I'm pro-labor, but we can't hurt The Economy". The railroads estimate a strike would cost up to $2 billion a day. Seems like an easy way to head that off would be to treat their workers like humans. Seems like if you're a "pro labor" president you could act like one. Your initial response was to say that I was being "unfair" in my judgment of the apparently beyond reproach Dem leadership. What's unfair is the ridiculous schedule these people are on while the companies have been doing stock buy-backs and reducing the overall workforce. Wade1865, Mindwalker and Isalie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Larry of the Lake said: What's unfair is the ridiculous schedule these people are on while the companies have been doing stock buy-backs and reducing the overall workforce. Welcome to how the world works? Trust me, I want to burn it all down too, but it's not realistic. At least not right now. Isalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Larry of the Lake said: Instead they essentially are getting a raise and a closer to human schedule-- but the votes might not even be in the Senate to pass anything. If Biden or congressional Dems wanted to do more, they would. At least fucking make some noise. The votes are almost certainly there to pass the first bill the House passed this afternoon. McConnell is clearly on board. It's very unlikely ten GOP Senators vote for the 7 days sick leave measure though, aye. It seems as if Sanders - along with many other progressive Senate Dems - are only demanding a vote on that to get Republicans on the record against it. As for making more noise, yes, again I agree Biden and the White House could have done more on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Seems that especially obstinate election denialism could cost the Republicans a House seat, as an Arizona county flat out refuses to certify election results. I'm wondering if these people really could be that obstinately stupid. An Arizona County’s Refusal to Certify Election Results Could Cost GOP a House Seat (msn.com) In court papers, Hobbs’ office said that if the county refuses to certify by Dec. 8, the ballots of more than 47,000 county residents will not be included in the final tally. That would flip the results of the race for Arizona’s Sixth Congressional District, where Republican Juan Ciscomani holds a 5,232-vote lead over Democrat Kirsten Engel in unofficial results, as well as the race for state Superintendent of Public Instruction, where the Republican candidate has a narrow lead. ants and Prince of the North 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 This is how politics get done. Zorral, Prince of the North, JGP and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 17 hours ago, Kalnestk Oblast said: Most states have what is called a sore lower law, where if you go in a primary and lose you are unable to effectively run again (other than basically write-in). Not all states have this but enough big ones do that it essentially rules out the possibility, though in theory he could fuck over the other person in the states that don't have that. Ah interesting thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ThinkerX said: Seems that especially obstinate election denialism could cost the Republicans a House seat, as an Arizona county flat out refuses to certify election results. I'm wondering if these people really could be that obstinately stupid. An Arizona County’s Refusal to Certify Election Results Could Cost GOP a House Seat (msn.com) In court papers, Hobbs’ office said that if the county refuses to certify by Dec. 8, the ballots of more than 47,000 county residents will not be included in the final tally. That would flip the results of the race for Arizona’s Sixth Congressional District, where Republican Juan Ciscomani holds a 5,232-vote lead over Democrat Kirsten Engel in unofficial results, as well as the race for state Superintendent of Public Instruction, where the Republican candidate has a narrow lead. It won't happen though; funny as the prospect is. The House has final say over its membership and it would seat Ciscomani as the winner anyway. But it won't come to even that, Arizona law doesn't actually allow the state to certify without all the county tallies (although Arizona law also doesn't allow a county to refuse to certify, but that just means a judge needs to compel them to do so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, Fez said: The House has final say over its membership and it would seat Ciscomani as the winner anyway. Er, that's a misleading statement at best. See Powell v McCormack (1969). But yeah, nothing is going to come of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, DMC said: Er, that's a misleading statement at best. See Powell v McCormack (1969). But yeah, nothing is going to come of this. It's really not. The House could've (and debated in committee) seating Rita Hart in 2020 despite Miller-Meeks being certified by Iowa as the winner. There was no question the House had the power to do so, Democrats just didn't want to overturn the election result even though there was grounds to do so. ETA: Another example would the 1984 IN-04 race, where Democrats actually did ignore Indiana's certification and seated the other candidate after conducting their own, independent recount. Edited December 1, 2022 by Fez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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