oldbus Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 To return to the original topic, I think the thing about the Wardens is a hangover back to GRRM being inspired by the Wars of the Roses. Having recently read a book about those Ward you can see some parallels especially with the original book - though you can't match chacters and historial people one-to-one; they overlap and shift as GRRM tells his story. The Wardens of the West and East in fifteenth century England were important in the defnce of northern England from the Scots. Similar to the Wardens of the Marches (of Wales), though possibly with less powers. The title was actually a job (not a landed lordship or a chivalric honour such as a knight of the Garter) and the holder was responsible to the king and received money to help recruit people to defned against border raids. This gave the holder extra power within the realm. Ideally the king would therefore pick someone trustworthy and capable. in practice, Warden of the East often went to the earl of Northumberland (whose power base was on the east side of the border). At one stage in the Wars of the Roses, Richard Neville, earl of Warwick, is given both the Wardenship of East and West in return for loyalty (his nickname, Kingmaker, contrasts very nicley with Kingslayer, though Warwick and Jaime Lannister and not really alike in other ways). This gave Warwick a lot of power and annoyed the great northern family, the Percies, who traditionally held the Warden of the East as earls of Northumberland. The problem for ASoIaF is that the land holding in Westeros (senior lords controlling a large contiguous area of land with subordinates holding land within that area) seems a lot closer to the continental maodel, rather than England. This means that there is no real need for Wardens as the Lords Paramount can call upon the loyalty of all lower-ranked lords within their area to fight an external threat. This was not true in England with many scattered holdings (a lot of nobles, depite holding a title indicating a particular area often had holding across the kingdom and all peerages were held direct form the king). Also, Wardens like Jaime who were 'outsiders', couldn't really exploit that power for a civil war. In summary, that i why I think the issue of the Wardens appeared in AGoT and why it disappeared very quickly. Julia H. and The hairy bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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