Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Assuming Hazzea the little girl did die, and it wasn't just a ruse by the father as the Shavepate suggests, was there anything Daenerys could or should have done beforehand to prevent this tragedy? A lot of people seem against locking up the dragons, but they are essentially very dangerous, almost wild animals, and it was a quite surprising that something like this didn't occur until then, given that Daenerys just lets Drogo fly around unsupervised. Would a hypothetical 'reasonable person'* have locked up the dragons sooner in Daenerys' place? Or was it just a completely unforeseeable accident? *I am not saying that Daenerys is unreasonable, I am just asking whether by an objective standard the risks of the dragons should have been foreseen and something done to prevent it earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Any animal will harm people if not trained properly Dany might not know that but she has people who would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Locking up the dragons emboldened the slavers. They ought to have been kept in an open Dragonpit and trained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, SeanF said: Locking up the dragons emboldened the slavers. They ought to have been kept in an open Dragonpit and trained. I agree but training them is not particularly easy and Dany never has the time to devote to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, SeanF said: Locking up the dragons emboldened the slavers. They ought to have been kept in an open Dragonpit and trained. I think this is the best compromise. The dragons wouldn't be hidden away, but at the same time they wouldn't just be roaming free unsupervised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: Any animal will harm people if not trained properly Dany might not know that but she has people who would How would she go about training them though? Who does she have that knows about training dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 53 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: How would she go about training them though? Who does she have that knows about training dragons? No one, aside maybe from some people of Asshai if what's said about them is partially true. Though I doubt that Daenerys will go to Asshai, not until her end imo (it could be where Drogon took her in GOT finale), and Ashai' i's mentality and motives are mysterious to say the least. Dany may learn to better tame Drogon and her other dragons on her own during her adventures in the Dothraki Sea during TWOW, but she won't be Aegon the Conqueror on Balerion or Daemon on Caraxes in terms of experience and skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 The father was lying. Get a free handout by handing over the bones of a burned slave. It was a lie. A scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Dany should have added her dragons to Daznaks Pit. The crowds would gather to see them burn and eat law-breakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Tyrosh Lannister said: Dany should have added her dragons to Daznaks Pit. The crowds would gather to see them burn and eat law-breakers. They certainly would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Rondo said: The father was lying. Get a free handout by handing over the bones of a burned slave. It was a lie. A scam. 7 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: Assuming Hazzea the little girl did die, and it wasn't just a ruse by the father as the Shavepate suggests But there is not enough proof either way. It may well be that the girl did die. If so, could Daenerys have taken any action to prevent it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Tyrosh Lannister said: Dany should have added her dragons to Daznaks Pit. The crowds would gather to see them burn and eat law-breakers. That would be quite...draconian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springwatch Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Tyrosh Lannister said: Dany should have added her dragons to Daznaks Pit. The crowds would gather to see them burn and eat law-breakers. Would be an interesting move by Dany. Absolutely no-one would volunteer to fight the dragon, and the show would be stalled on the first act. Result - no blood spilled. Just what she wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 My opinion: Yes, Hazea did die. Yes, Drogon did kill her. I'm not sure I care to express an opinion on what Dany should have done differently. But I will say that the problem is not going to go away. This incident foreshadows worse to come. Drogon is a monster, and at some point, someone is going to have to slay the monster. I don't necessarily think it applies to all dragons; but I do think it applies to Drogon. One thing which I am guessing Dany should never have done, is bond fully with Drogon, as (I guess) she finally does at the end of DANCE. My guess is that, by doing so, she has lost her true and better Self, at least temporarily. She will recover her true self only after ditching Drogon. Three mounts must she ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 12 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: A lot of people seem against locking up the dragons, but they are essentially very dangerous, almost wild animals, and it was a quite surprising that something like this didn't occur until then, given that Daenerys just lets Drogo fly around unsupervised. We have not seen such hunting behavior from Viserion or Rhaegal yet. Rhaegal is murderously dangerous, but he does not seem to attack humans when hunting. Viserion has not attacked humans unprovoked. We don't see such hunting behavior in the Targ histories either, IIRC, but in that case, it may be that pro-Targ historians suppressed such evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Rondo said: The father was lying. Get a free handout by handing over the bones of a burned slave. It was a lie. A scam. Wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gilbert Green said: Wishful thinking. Given that there is no forensic testing, there doesn't seem to be a way to tell whether the remains that were presented were those of child or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Monsters and Maidens: A foreshadowed theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Given that there is no forensic testing, there doesn't seem to be a way to tell whether the remains that were presented were those of child or not. They were definitely the bones of a child. The only question was whether they were the bones of a child killed by Drogon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gilbert Green said: They were definitely the bones of a child. The only question was whether they were the bones of a child killed by Drogon. How can you know for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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