hauberk Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, JGP said: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha[gasps]hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [wipes eyes] Aaaaaaah... Will someone, please, for the love of God, please slap this Man Cub like he needs. Would probably go backhand myself. Closed fist with sap gloves and maybe a roll of quarters seems more appropriate. JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Its disgusting that people apparently will not quit using Musks platform. Its a bit like staying at a Trump property, no real excuse for it at this point. Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Its disgusting that people apparently will not quit using Musks platform. Its a bit like staying at a Trump property, no real excuse for it at this point. I don't know. I just follow very few sources (4) about Ukraine for information and web3 is going just great for light entertainment. PiS trolls, Magas and Russian troll farmers are mercilessly blocked and I don't really see any significant other unpleasant stuff. So I think it's possible to use it and don't get drowned in excrement. Wade1865 and LongRider 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Its disgusting that people apparently will not quit using Musks platform. Its a bit like staying at a Trump property, no real excuse for it at this point. You're not wrong. It's got a whole Nero on serious drugs thing going now though, and yet there are still people saying legit things, all kinds of people about all kinds of things, cracking jokes. One just has to verify a little more. I'm waiting for the right ship. It may be many. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, kiko said: I don't know. I just follow very few sources (4) about Ukraine for information and web3 is going just great for light entertainment. PiS trolls, Magas and Russian troll farmers are mercilessly blocked and I don't really see any significant other unpleasant stuff. So I think it's possible to use it and don't get drowned in excrement. I thought like this for a while but I went away from it because every single time you log in, browse for any length of time or click through is essentially supporting Musk and the twitter platform/policies as they are. There is essentially no separation of those concerns. Even if you can avoid the shittiness you're still making his numbers look better. hauberk and Zorral 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kalnestk Oblast said: I thought like this for a while but I went away from it because every single time you log in, browse for any length of time or click through is essentially supporting Musk and the twitter platform/policies as they are. There is essentially no separation of those concerns. Even if you can avoid the shittiness you're still making his numbers look better. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Maithanet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Its disgusting that people apparently will not quit using Musks platform. Its a bit like staying at a Trump property, no real excuse for it at this point. If you can try to avoid it sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kalnestk Oblast said: I thought like this for a while but I went away from it because every single time you log in, browse for any length of time or click through is essentially supporting Musk and the twitter platform/policies as they are. There is essentially no separation of those concerns. Even if you can avoid the shittiness you're still making his numbers look better. But the numbers won't make it look any better to advertisers, Kal, so Musk is probably doing something gross like offering data to the pentagon, and to bad faith actors interested in exploiting cultural cleave points. I mean, I can't think of any other way he can make money off this. The selling data thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. There are degrees, however. And it crossed the line for me. Just now, JGP said: But the numbers won't make it look any better to advertisers, Kal, so Musk is probably doing something gross like offering data to the pentagon, and to bad faith actors interested in exploiting cultural cleave points. I mean, I can't think of any other way he can make money off this. The selling data thing. He makes money by using it as his personal soapbox. He makes money by selling to advertisers, including Amazon which recently bought $100m of ads. The platform isn't remotely dead. He makes money by selling subscriptions. Mostly, your support of the platform encourages him to do things like promoting persecution and abuse of people like Fauci. Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, JGP said: But the numbers won't make it look any better to advertisers, Kal, so Musk is probably doing something gross like offering data to the pentagon, and to bad faith actors interested in exploiting cultural cleave points. I mean, I can't think of any other way he can make money off this. The selling data thing. Read an op-ed where the theory is he will use the platform to pump the stock price of his other companies and do so while avoiding SEC penalties. An end around for behavior that hes been sanctioned for in the past. JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, Kalnestk Oblast said: He makes money by using it as his personal soapbox. He makes money by selling to advertisers, including Amazon which recently bought $100m of ads. The platform isn't remotely dead. He makes money by selling subscriptions. You understand that the majority of Twitter's ad buy in is click thru based, right? Most of it conditional on actual clicks. Can you share a bit more about how he makes money off it being his soapbox? Not arguing, just talking here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, JGP said: You understand that the majority of Twitter's ad buy in is click thru based, right? Most of it conditional on actual clicks. Majority isn't 100% though, and I'm sure that a lot of the conversion rate is people accidentally clicking on stories they see. But as long as he's touting MAU, DAU, engagement and other things as values for the platform you're contributing to that. Just now, JGP said: Can you share a bit more about how he makes money off it being his soapbox? Not arguing, just talking here. @DireWolfSpirit gave one example. He can use it to promote things he likes that he has a stake in (like various coins), he can use it to denigrate competitors (which he already has), he can use it to gain political favor or possibly use it to strike against other candidates (like he did with the stupid Twitter Files). Selling your personal information is another way, but honestly one of the least valuable ones. At this point it's a lot like tuning in to Fox News. The best way to make it less valuable is to starve it of attention. DireWolfSpirit and JGP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Read an op-ed where the theory is he will use the platform to pump the stock price of his other companies and do so while avoiding SEC penalties. An end around for behavior that hes been sanctioned for in the past. He's only going to be able to flaunt that so many times. If Musk hasn't been put on a few national security threat lists then the self interested apparatus of the US can't see one when they got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Kalnestk Oblast said: He makes money by selling to advertisers, including Amazon which recently bought $100m of ads. Looked this up: Amazon hasn’t confirmed this: Musk and his fanboys lie about his success a lot JGP, Wade1865 and LongRider 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, JGP said: like offering data to the pentagon russia Don't forget how up in all this, past and present, is steve bannon and other nazis, fash and deplorables. JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Heres an excerpt explaining the whole stock pump angle for Musk- Elon Musk knows what he’s doing. Here’s the real value he sees in Twitter By using Twitter to speak directly to investors, Musk doesn’t have to rely on market analysts to drive his other companies' valuations, writes Bradley Tusk. BY BRADLEY TUSK November 07, 2022 6:18 AM EST No one in the world–perhaps no one in history–has benefited more from hype and pixie dust than Elon Musk. Tesla’s market cap is around $700 billion. General Motors’ market cap is approximately $55 billion. Toyota has a market cap of around $220 billion. Toyota’s annual revenue exceeds Tesla’s by a margin of almost four to one ($275 billion to $75 billion). Even if you decide somehow that Tesla is as valuable as Toyota, there’s still a half-a-trillion-dollar gap. That comes from retail investor enthusiasm. It comes from the constant hype machine of Twitter, Reddit, StockTwits, and every other platform. By using Twitter to speak directly to investors, Musk doesn’t have to rely on market analysts like most CEOs. Ideas or announcements that would be considered trivial by experts instead excite day traders and groupies, driving valuation by tens of billions of dollars. Controlling that means of information could be pretty valuable, especially if he wants to repeat the process once he takes SpaceX public. If Musk can use the hype machine to produce a differential of hundreds of billions of dollars between what his companies are actually worth and their market cap, then the money he paid for Twitter is a minor cost of doing business. And while manipulating Twitter’s algorithms to impact a public company’s share price would most likely violate SEC rules, it wouldn’t be Musk’s first fight with the SEC. Edited December 12, 2022 by DireWolfSpirit Ser Scot A Ellison and Wade1865 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Zorral said: This reminds me of what the actress in Wednesday does in the 4th episode. But these guys are much superior in their moves. Plus they do them as a duet, while Wednesday was doing it all by herself, and we hardly ever saw full body, including feet. Gen z ain't posting feet for free JGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I pared that down, the first paste had too many side stories. The edited excerpt shows how he can get value by skirting SEC guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: Heres an excerpt explaining the whole stock pump angle for Musk- Elon Musk knows what he’s doing. Here’s the real value he sees in Twitter By using Twitter to speak directly to investors, Musk doesn’t have to rely on market analysts to drive his other companies' valuations, writes Bradley Tusk. BY BRADLEY TUSK November 07, 2022 6:18 AM EST No one in the world–perhaps no one in history–has benefited more from hype and pixie dust than Elon Musk. Tesla’s market cap is around $700 billion. General Motors’ market cap is approximately $55 billion. Toyota has a market cap of around $220 billion. Toyota’s annual revenue exceeds Tesla’s by a margin of almost four to one ($275 billion to $75 billion). Even if you decide somehow that Tesla is as valuable as Toyota, there’s still a half-a-trillion-dollar gap. That comes from retail investor enthusiasm. It comes from the constant hype machine of Twitter, Reddit, StockTwits, and every other platform. By using Twitter to speak directly to investors, Musk doesn’t have to rely on market analysts like most CEOs. Ideas or announcements that would be considered trivial by experts instead excite day traders and groupies, driving valuation by tens of billions of dollars. Controlling that means of information could be pretty valuable, especially if he wants to repeat the process once he takes SpaceX public. If Musk can use the hype machine to produce a differential of hundreds of billions of dollars between what his companies are actually worth and their market cap, then the money he paid for Twitter is a minor cost of doing business. And while manipulating Twitter’s algorithms to impact a public company’s share price would most likely violate SEC rules, it wouldn’t be Musk’s first fight with the SEC. Ok but like, why isn’t it working then? Yes, it has before. Mostly same rules but, something is going on with management. The big problem right now is how beneficial Musk is to the US government. USeful idiot [wouldn’t that be hilarious] Risk v reward, liabilities. Without the Gov and respective subsidies, credits, contracts, etc, Musk is teats up. Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JGP said: Ok but like, why isn’t it working then? Yes, it has before. Mostly same rules but, something is going on with management Did you read the edited post? The strategy is to take SpaceX, Neural Link, etc public and hype them into trillion dollar valuations. We cant say its not working when it hasnt started yet. Eta: Twitters value alone is irrelevant, its to be the vehicle to drive value for his other entities. Edited December 12, 2022 by DireWolfSpirit Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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