Canon Claude Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gilbert Green said: Who is "they"? I don't think Brienne is a descendant of Dunk. And even if she is, it is more likely to be through the Cleganes than through the Evenstar. I meant GRRM, my mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Canon Claude said: I meant GRRM, my mistake GRRM never said that Brienne was a descendant of Dunk. He only said that there was/were descendant(s) of Dunk in the series, and that he left a pretty big clue in FEAST. I agree. He did leave a pretty big clue in FEAST. And it points to Dunk --> --> Bonifer --> Rhaegar --> Rhaegar's Children. The supposed Brienne clue does not actually make sense IMHO. But even if it does, GRRM did not confirm the theory. And again, even if Brienne is a descendant of Dunk, the Cleganes are not ruled out as intermediate descendants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Gilbert Green said: I agree that you cannot plan for someone like Gregor. He is a freak. He is clearly a mistake, hes too big to avoid health problems and hes extremely unstable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Alden Rothack said: the answer for both is the same bigger warhorses could be bred they just cost more, I presume they do so given that people like Briene, Duncan, Sandor and the Umbers ride often https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_(horse) This is the heaviest horse I could find, I posted this a while back on the subject of Sandor’s prize. From what I’ve found a horse can carry about %20 of it’s weight so this one can carry roughly 300 kilos, Mountain alone is 190 kilos without the armor, shield, weapon and all these are massive as well, and the horse may have armor as well(Northern horses in Greenfork had). How many such horses even exist in Westeros? Considering both the lifespan of average horse and the fact Mountain’s horses tend to have short life expectancy with all the fighting and tourneys, there should be many for Gregor to be able to operate as a knight. By the way this is disregarding the fact that this horse is a draft horse, not one for riding, especially to battle. What do they even do with so many huge horses considering there is only one Mountain that rides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_(horse) This is the heaviest horse I could find, I posted this a while back on the subject of Sandor’s prize. From what I’ve found a horse can carry about %20 of it’s weight so this one can carry roughly 300 kilos, Mountain alone is 190 kilos without the armor, shield, weapon and all these are massive as well, and the horse may have armor as well(Northern horses in Greenfork had). How many such horses even exist in Westeros? Considering both the lifespan of average horse and the fact Mountain’s horses tend to have short life expectancy with all the fighting and tourneys, there should be many for Gregor to be able to operate as a knight. By the way this is disregarding the fact that this horse is a draft horse, not one for riding, especially to battle. What do they even do with so many huge horses considering there is only one Mountain that rides? if you can afford to feed them horses that can carry more gear are more useful, we also know that they were common enough before the Cleganes existed that Dunk could find a big enough horse as the squire of a hedge knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: if you can afford to feed them horses that can carry more gear are more useful, I’m talking about horses that are used to ride to battle. Dunk is not a comparison to Gregor. Quote By then Ser Gregor Clegane was in position at the head of the lists. He was huge, the biggest man that Eddard Stark had ever seen. Robert Baratheon and his brothers were all big men, as was the Hound, and back at Winterfell there was a simpleminded stableboy named Hodor who dwarfed them all, but the knight they called the Mountain That Rides would have towered over Hodor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: I’m talking about horses that are used to ride to battle. Dunk is not a comparison to Gregor. No hes not but he managed to find a horse he could ride in battle despite being poor which suggests horses that Dunk sized men can ride are semi-common, if you have horses for a seven foot knight then breeding horses for an eight foot knight becomes a lot easier than if you only have horses for six foot knights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Alden Rothack said: No hes not but he managed to find a horse he could ride in battle despite being poor which suggests horses that Dunk sized men can ride are semi-common, if you have horses for a seven foot knight then breeding horses for an eight foot knight becomes a lot easier than if you only have horses for six foot knights Most knights won’t even be six but that isn’t the point, taller =/= heavier. A few years back I had a girlfriend who was 185 cms, she was 50 kgs and only a bit skinny, a year later she gained 5 kgs and that skinniness was gone, I am exactly 10 cm shorter than her and was 73 kgs when we first met, within a few months I dropped to 68-69 and was much skinnier than her at 50 kilos. Not all bodies are of the same type. The problem with Gregor isn’t just his height, it is that he is so massive, tree trunks are compared with his limbs. meet world’s tallest person whose height isn’t the result of some pathological condition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_MacAskill He was reportedly 236 cm and in his early adulthood, weighed 230 kg. He is about the same height as Gregor but looking at his photo his size(again, not his height) is nowhere near Gregor’s description and yet he weighs 40 kilos more than what Gregor’s supposed to weigh so forget about that supposed 190 kgs and forget about readily finding horses for Gregor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 2:04 PM, Corvo the Crow said: Most knights won’t even be six but that isn’t the point, taller =/= heavier. A few years back I had a girlfriend who was 185 cms, she was 50 kgs and only a bit skinny, a year later she gained 5 kgs and that skinniness was gone, I am exactly 10 cm shorter than her and was 73 kgs when we first met, within a few months I dropped to 68-69 and was much skinnier than her at 50 kilos. Not all bodies are of the same type. The problem with Gregor isn’t just his height, it is that he is so massive, tree trunks are compared with his limbs. meet world’s tallest person whose height isn’t the result of some pathological condition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_MacAskill He was reportedly 236 cm and in his early adulthood, weighed 230 kg. He is about the same height as Gregor but looking at his photo his size(again, not his height) is nowhere near Gregor’s description and yet he weighs 40 kilos more than what Gregor’s supposed to weigh so forget about that supposed 190 kgs and forget about readily finding horses for Gregor. I agree, they would have to be specially bred but it would be possible, I suspect Gregor is at least somewhat larger than his official weight would suggest, the problem is that the Hound is generally a match for his brother and thats already implausible at his official size and weight, the bigger you make him the less plausible it becomes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Alden Rothack said: I agree, they would have to be specially bred but it would be possible, I suspect Gregor is at least somewhat larger than his official weight would suggest, the problem is that the Hound is generally a match for his brother and thats already implausible at his official size and weight, the bigger you make him the less plausible it becomes And how many generations would this breeding program take? Is Tywin a Bene Gesserit breeding Kwisazts Horserach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: And how many generations would this breeding program take? Is Tywin a Bene Gesserit breeding Kwisazts Horserach? less than it took to create warhorses in the first place, as I said if you have horses for seven foot men then breeding horses for an eight foot man is a lot easier Tywin might not have completed it either as Gregors horses seem to have a death wish, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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