The Forbidden Topic

[EggBlue]

30 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Jaime only likes blonds

I disagree . he likes blond Cersei's attitude and the one thing he doesn't like about blond Brienne is her looks!  in his own words he likes someone with fire .... translate : someone wild , rebellious and passionate . I wouldn't rule out Daenerys though ! 

[Alden Rothack]

1 minute ago, EggBlue said:

I disagree . he likes blond Cersei's attitude and the one thing he doesn't like about blond Brienne is her looks!  in his own words he likes someone with fire .... translate : someone wild , rebellious and passionate . I wouldn't rule out Daenerys though ! 

its not her blond hair that Jaime dislikes about Brienes looks

[Corvo the Crow]

4 minutes ago, EggBlue said:

 in his own words he likes someone with fire ....

Well, in that case he'll definitely be into her as there's no one more fiery than Dany. After all, no one else is the daughter of a Pyromaniac King getting closer each day to their father's mental state and have three dragons to fuel that desire. Since He's killed her father, I'm sure Dany will be more than willing to give him her fire.

[EggBlue]

9 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

its not her blond hair that Jaime dislikes about Brienes looks

it's not what he likes either . 

 

[Alden Rothack]

1 minute ago, EggBlue said:

it's not what he likes either . 

 

yeah but he doesn't like her looks at all, he likes her eyes a little (which are blue not green interestly)

[EggBlue]

9 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

yeah but he doesn't like her looks at all, he likes her eyes a little (which are blue not green interestly)

my point is we cannot take it as rule that Jaimie likes blonds just because the two women he's ever showed any interest in were blond . interestingly , the thing that Jaimie didn't care for in Lysa Tully was not her red hair or that her beauty doesn't surpass Cersei's , but that she lacks Cersei's forcefulness. he would totally be into Lyanna  

[Alden Rothack]

4 minutes ago, EggBlue said:

my point is we cannot take it as rule that Jaimie likes blonds just because the two women he's ever showed any interest in were blond . interestingly , the thing that Jaimie didn't care for in Lysa Tully was not her red hair or that her beauty doesn't surpass Cersei's , but that she lacks Cersei's forcefulness. he would totally be into Lyanna  

it clearly isn't they are both crazy

yes its possible Jaime would have been interested in Lyanna, it would have been better if he was thats for sure

[EggBlue]

1 hour ago, Alden Rothack said:

it clearly isn't they are both crazy

sure . if it was , he'd be interested in Lysa Arryn.

1 hour ago, Alden Rothack said:

yes its possible Jaime would have been interested in Lyanna, it would have been better if he was thats for sure

yep. even if Lyanna somehow suddenly turns out to be alive , she and Jaimie would make a great couple . they have A TON in common. they were both naive and kinda idealistic at youth . both like swordsmanship .both first act and maybe later think . both get themselves involved with a married person in a toxic relationship , have bastards and throw the realm into chaos and war because of their respective affairs . 

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

Is it acceptable to ship Silence with the Cinnamon Wind ?

[King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd]

26 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Is it acceptable to ship Silence with the Cinnamon Wind ?

[Corvo the Crow]

1 hour ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Is it acceptable to ship Silence with the Cinnamon Wind ?

You can wind a cinnamon in silence, but I doubt it would be odorless.

[Alden Rothack]

7 hours ago, EggBlue said:

sure . if it was , he'd be interested in Lysa Arryn.

yep. even if Lyanna somehow suddenly turns out to be alive , she and Jaimie would make a great couple . they have A TON in common. they were both naive and kinda idealistic at youth . both like swordsmanship .both first act and maybe later think . both get themselves involved with a married person in a toxic relationship , have bastards and throw the realm into chaos and war because of their respective affairs . 

I think Lyanna was a better person than Jaime but a) we never meet her and none of the people describing her are exactly objective and b) Jaime was a much better person back then, hes not wrong that his oaths as knight and kingsguard were in conflict.

 

[EggBlue]

5 hours ago, Alden Rothack said:

I think Lyanna was a better person than Jaime but a) we never meet her and none of the people describing her are exactly objective and b) Jaime was a much better person back then, hes not wrong that his oaths as knight and kingsguard were in conflict.

 

I agree with everything you just said actually . but in the end of the day , Jaimie and Lyanna's actions have the same consequences , which is kinda ironic , considering I think if they had never got involved with Rhaegar , Cersei , Robert and Aerys , these two could have made a good match . Friends if not lovers . not only they seem interested in the same activities , both see the world in a simplistic way (with little we know of Lyanna) and they both react pretty fast .but also they both believed in knight's oaths , defending the weak . and they both expected monogamy from their partner (leave Rhaegar issue out ,  talking about Lyanna's reaction towards Robert here)  .

[Angel Eyes]

5 hours ago, EggBlue said:

I agree with everything you just said actually . but in the end of the day , Jaimie and Lyanna's actions have the same consequences , which is kinda ironic , considering I think if they had never got involved with Rhaegar , Cersei , Robert and Aerys , these two could have made a good match . Friends if not lovers . not only they seem interested in the same activities , both see the world in a simplistic way (with little we know of Lyanna) and they both react pretty fast .but also they both believed in knight's oaths , defending the weak . and they both expected monogamy from their partner (leave Rhaegar issue out ,  talking about Lyanna's reaction towards Robert here)  .

Something I've wondered is why, of all the eligible bachelors in Westeros in 279 AC, was Robert chosen as Lyanna's spouse? Surely there were a few other options like Jaime, Elbert and Denys Arryn, Oberyn Martell, Stannis, a Greyjoy or two. Jaime for example is much closer geographic-wise. And this is only among the Great Houses.

[Corvo the Crow]

46 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Something I've wondered is why, of all the eligible bachelors in Westeros in 279 AC, was Robert chosen as Lyanna's spouse? Surely there were a few other options like Jaime, Elbert and Denys Arryn, Oberyn Martell, Stannis, a Greyjoy or two. Jaime for example is much closer geographic-wise. And this is only among the Great Houses.

Cause Robert wanted Ned but unlike Renly he wasn’t into men so he went for the next best thing, his sister. 
Actually, I think Robert may have made an exception if Ned too was willing but guessing he probably won’t be, he asked for Lyanna.

[King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd]

54 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Something I've wondered is why, of all the eligible bachelors in Westeros in 279 AC, was Robert chosen as Lyanna's spouse? Surely there were a few other options like Jaime, Elbert and Denys Arryn, Oberyn Martell, Stannis, a Greyjoy or two. Jaime for example is much closer geographic-wise. And this is only among the Great Houses.

Robert had closeted homosexual feelings for Ned but didn’t know how to express them so he pursued Lyanna

[EggBlue]

44 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Something I've wondered is why, of all the eligible bachelors in Westeros in 279 AC, was Robert chosen as Lyanna's spouse? Surely there were a few other options like Jaime, Elbert and Denys Arryn, Oberyn Martell, Stannis, a Greyjoy or two. Jaime for example is much closer geographic-wise. And this is only among the Great Houses.

the most obvious answer is plot . I mean , Robert was written first , then Arryns or Martells came along . 

the second most obvious answer is Robert was Ned's friend , already a lord and already willing . meaning Rickard didn't have to approach someone like Tywin for an alliance with an heir , when Lord Robert was already there , probably willing to listen to everything his good-father says . 

lastly , as I hope BLAST* alliance theory is a thing , Robert would've been next in line after the Targaryens . 

 

* I think it's a pretty odd coincidence that 5 of the 7 great houses were suddenly marrying into each other . especially , when you consider that they also wanted an alliance with the Redwynes.  it's totally understandable that this simply had happened because the author wrote the Great Houses first and added their history and bannermen later . yet, it makes a lot of sense that they wanted to depose the mad dragonless inbreeds and ditch the Dornish .

[Alden Rothack]

9 hours ago, EggBlue said:

I agree with everything you just said actually . but in the end of the day , Jaimie and Lyanna's actions have the same consequences , which is kinda ironic , considering I think if they had never got involved with Rhaegar , Cersei , Robert and Aerys , these two could have made a good match . Friends if not lovers . not only they seem interested in the same activities , both see the world in a simplistic way (with little we know of Lyanna) and they both react pretty fast .but also they both believed in knight's oaths , defending the weak . and they both expected monogamy from their partner (leave Rhaegar issue out ,  talking about Lyanna's reaction towards Robert here)  .

Yeah pretty much

[Castellan]

On 11/28/2022 at 6:34 AM, StarkTullies said:

Too many characters to deal with so I'll just list the 20 living POV characters.  "Shipping" isn't usually my thing, which might be demonstrated by the fact that I'd prefer half of them to remain single.

From north to south, then west to east:

• Bran Stark: No one during the time of this story, seeing as how he's 10 years old and alone in an isolated cave.  Meera is too old for him.  After he's older and after the story ends (if he's still "Bran" and not a greenseeing wizard void of humanity), just a common girl we haven't met yet.
• Melisandre: No one.
• Jon Snow: With the true purpose of the Night's Watch finally being realized and no longer being a racist anti-Wilding organization, it is probably time to update their vows.  And with Jon's death and predictable resurrection, his vows might no longer apply anyway, but I rather he remain committed to celibacy.  But if he does end up with somebody: anybody but Daenerys.
• Asha Greyjoy: She has three contenders who are all seemingly nice guys: Tris Botley (too pure for this world, and most certainly too pure for Ironborn), Qarl (her partner of choice, but she himself finds him unsuitable for his "low birth"), and Justin Massey (possibly only because he wants power through marriage, or because she's nearly the only woman for miles away, but he seems like a nice guy).  I like Tris the most, but maybe he deserves a more "innocent" girl than Asha.  If Asha is serious about making a cross-cultural peace with the mainland, Justin Massey might be the best choice.
• Theon Greyjoy: Having a non-romantic "companion" would be a nice ending for him.  Maybe the captain's daughter, who was inexplicably enchanted by him, gave birth to his child and he can kind of get a somewhat happy ending with a non-traditional family.
• Davos Seaworth:  Marya Seaworth.  His wife is already the "best woman in the world".
• Aeron Greyjoy:  No one.  Drowned priests are married to their drowned god.
• Sansa Stark:  Gendry Waters.  A throwback to Robert's desire for his son to marry Ned's daughter.  Gendry is a legitimately nice guy, and having been living as a bastard, Sansa no longer has a condescending elitism toward bastards.
• Brienne Tarth:  Of the men she's interacted with, Hyle Hunt.  He's not perfect and his prank against her was cruel, but they mutually (and secretly) care for each other.  Brienne might think she likes Jaime, but it's not her job to try to make him a better person.
• Jaime Lannister:  No one.  The guy has been fornicating with his psychopathic twin sister his entire life.  It's good that he finally broke that spell, but he's not capable of having a healthy relationship with anyone else at this point.  He doesn't deserve Brienne.  And he's in the kingsguard anyway.
• Cersei Lannister:  No one.  There's nobody I hate enough to wish Cersei upon them, but Euron Greyjoy would be a perfect match for her in a mutually evil way.
• Jon Connington: No one.  The guy has greyscale.
• Samwell Tarly:  Gilly.  They are perfect for each other.  Night's Watch vows and maester vows and all that... but with fire and ice apocalypses coming from the east and north, it might be time to rethink which vows are important and which aren't.
• Arianne Martell:  Young Griff.  Politically they make sense, and I think they would like each other as much as can be expected.
• Areo Hotah:  No one.  He is married to duty, and he needs no other wife.
• Arya Stark:  No one, for now.  When/if she gets out of the clutches of the Faceless Man, maybe someone she can relate to and would not oppress her wild nature.  Edric Dayne, perhaps.  Gendry is too old for her, and they should remain just friends.
• Victarion Greyjoy:  No one.  A man who beats his wife to death should never go near another woman again.
• Tyrion Lannister: No one.  He's a vile woman-hating misogynist who only uses them for his pleasure.
• Barristan Selmy: No one.  He's a queensguard, and though I said maybe those vows need to be re-visited for Sam, Jon, etc., Barristan thinks honor and blind loyalty are the same thing.  He would be extremely hypocritical to ever have a relationship.
• Daenerys Targaryen:  I want to say "anybody but Jon Snow", but I think her "three mounts to ride" prophesy is about lovers.  If that is the case, she already reached her maximum and she will have no new lovers, so I would say Daario Naharis.  I despise the guy, but he is a perfect match for Dany after she embraced "fire and blood" at the end of ADWD.

I have to say this is pretty convincing.

I'd add Arya: No-one. She is busy becoming no-one so there is no-way that romantic needy love relationships will be part of her life.

I think Brienne and Jaime already have some kind of relationship but I think Jaime's headed for some karmic punishment for a ridiculous sexual relationship by never getting the possibilty of a better one. Anyway I think both of them are headed for a supernatural fate as undead warriors, their other potential won't get a look in.

I don't mind Hyle Hunt. I think its funny when he offers to kill Jaime himself. At least he realises what a warrior Brienne is and would not assume he would get to run Tarth if her married her. At this stage he'd be grateful just to stay home and mind the castle I think. But it ain't gonna happen.

Arianne is such a dimwit. Young Griff doesn't seem like anything special either, so maybe they would suit.

Doran might need another wife to get an heir after he's killed off all his children by sending them on ridiculous missions that they are not up to. I can't think of anyone I'd wish this fate on.

If Doran doesn't manage to knock of Trystane then Myrcella could inject some much needed brains into House Martell by marrying Trystane and being the power behind the throne when he inherits. Except those sand snakes would be plotting against her.

[Groo]

It isn't fair that Margaery has been hogging all the Baratheons for herself. She stole Renly from Loras then she moved onto Joffrey and then onto Tommen. It's only fair that Loras gets Stannis now. Besides we all know how uncomfortable Stannis is around women.