Gilbert Green Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 How can it be a Hot Take if it does not at least threaten to derail the thread? Seems like the wrong place to post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinola Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Daenerys will end up conquering Essos. She's lived there her whole life, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kinola said: Daenerys will end up conquering Essos. She's lived there her whole life, so why not? Essos is a huge continent. How would she do that with 3 dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Stark Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 The whole series is Dany's fever dream in a mental institution in Queens. Every other character is either a patient, or an orderly. And Tywin is the ward director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 9 hours ago, James Steller said: Cersei and Jaime are half-Targaryens; Jaime slew his own father without knowing it. I like this one, but I don't like the Tyrion theory. 9 hours ago, James Steller said: They wouldn't have needed the Tyrells if Robb had declared the North and Riverlands for Stannis. Then with Renly on hand, that means the Stormlands join in too. Plus Loras would never abandon Renly, and I doubt Mace would ever risk getting his son killed, so he'd likely sit it out and wait to see who became king. The Vale just does what it does before, and Tywin's stuck dealing with three and a half regions of Westeros without any allies. For Robb to declare for Stannis I think you would also need Stannis himself to declare earlier. Otherwise, even if Renly does nothing, Robb won't know what Stannis intends. So the Greatjon may still try his bid for independence. Also, Renly can't declare for Stannis without Stannis himself declaring earlier, for the same reason - he won't know what Stannis is planning on doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Clegg Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 We won’t meet any gods in future books, but we will see the ‘false gods’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: I like this one, but I don't like the Tyrion theory. Tyrion has proved himself not to be a Targaryen by passing over his sister when he had the oppurtunity to fu...lfill her needs, monetary wise. That is if the theory that Marei is Tywin's daughter correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Tytos Lannister wasn't that bad and is a victim of his son and Pycelle's smear campaign to make things look worse than they actually were so Tywin looks better in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Sandy Clegg said: We won’t meet any gods in future books, but we will see the ‘false gods’. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I also think the Tyrells are overrated by the fandom. They’re fun to read about, but they’re not political geniuses so much as just extremely lucky. They should have suffered after the Dance (for sitting it out) and Robert’s Rebellion (for backing Aerys and failing to win a single battle) but didn’t because the winning kings decided to be extraordinarily merciful. The Lannister alliance falls into their lap. Olenna and Margaery both make snide remarks about the twincest around Cersei, despite their claim to power relying entirely on Tommen being a legitimate Baratheon. Kevan actually has to explain to Mace that if Cersei loses her trial, Tommen will be revealed as a bastard and therefore both he and Margaery will lose their crowns. If Robb Stark had the Tyrells’ luck, he would have conquered all of Westeros and defeated the Others and landed himself a mansion in Pento free of charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Stannis will become king and out of the 5 or so kings, is probably the best suited for the job. Yea he's not perfect, no one in this series is and you can find a few dozens flaws with him if you look for them, but the fact that he's the only king in the series taking the threat of The Others seriously has earned him my respect. Tywin is possibly the worst Hand in the series and uses getting results through stuff like baby killing, to justify why he's such a "great hand". He's better than Ned mind you, but the fact that he seems to only know how to solves problems through violence, really brings him down for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Penny is annoying and I'm looking forward to see her dying a gruesome death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 hours ago, sifth said: Stannis will become king and out of the 5 or so kings, is probably the best suited for the job. Yea he's not perfect, no one in this series is and you can find a few dozens flaws with him if you look for them, but the fact that he's the only king in the series taking the threat of The Others seriously has earned him my respect. Tywin is possibly the worst Hand in the series and uses getting results through stuff like baby killing, to justify why he's such a "great hand". He's better than Ned mind you, but that fact that he seems to only know how to solves problems through violence, really brings him down for me. Trumpets will blow all around, loud and brazen, accompanying the cries of ecstacy and tears of joy, blood will flow through slashes of bronze sickles watering weirwood saplings and fire will roar burning the wicked who are half bled, all the while people, human and giant, great lord and small folk, chant holding hands Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS! He has come to unite the realm with love and meritocracy, he may even find in that big fiery heart of his to forgive the Others all their wrong doing and accept them into the fold if they repent. One People! One Realm! One fu… One King! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said: One People! One Realm! One fu… One King! I have to say when I read that in the books it reminded me of...something else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Clegg Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 7 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I also think the Tyrells are overrated by the fandom. They’re fun to read about, but they’re not political geniuses so much as just extremely lucky. They should have suffered after the Dance (for sitting it out) and Robert’s Rebellion (for backing Aerys and failing to win a single battle) but didn’t because the winning kings decided to be extraordinarily merciful. The Lannister alliance falls into their lap. Olenna and Margaery both make snide remarks about the twincest around Cersei, despite their claim to power relying entirely on Tommen being a legitimate Baratheon. Kevan actually has to explain to Mace that if Cersei loses her trial, Tommen will be revealed as a bastard and therefore both he and Margaery will lose their crowns. If Robb Stark had the Tyrells’ luck, he would have conquered all of Westeros and defeated the Others and landed himself a mansion in Pento free of charge. I suspect GRRM has some big reveals in store with the Tyrells, including the Redwyne twins Horror and Slobber. There's no way their 'failing upwards' can be down to pure luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Littlefinger and Varys have very strong plot armors. After all PB told many people that he had slept with 2 daughters of mafia boss and those women are nowadays married with even stronger bosses. So Littlefinger should either have had fatal accident or just disappeared when any Arryn, Stark or Tully heard about what Petyr talked about taking v-card of those ladies. In fact I assume that Ned's best friend would not have been very happy about hearing that rumor either. Varys as spymaster of Mad King doomed many people to death. So there should be many surviving relatives and friends of those victims of Varys who would want revenge those by killing Varys. Those potential enemies should not have been problem for his as long as A II was still alive. But when Targs were gone there should have been many people among victorious rebels who wanted his head removed from his body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Euron Greyjoy and the Ironborn can't hope to conquer or hold Oldtown, they don't have the numbers, siege weapons and discipline to do so knowing Oldtown's defenses, number of defenders and the coming of reinforcements led by Garlan Tyrell. What Euron truly wants is in the Citadel or the Hightower and he intends to leave as soon as he has the thing he wanted to find here before he can be trapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Faith of the Seven is the only real religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NitoAndTheFunkyBunch Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Long food descriptions are very good worldbuilding. They let you know what food each house has access too. Therefore, with the exception of imported foods, you know what plants and animals grow where. For example, when Wyman brings "Whitefish and winkles, crabs and mussels, clams, herring, salmon, lobster, and lampreys" to a feast in Acok, that gives you an idea of the ecology of the Bite and White Knife, without having to set a chapter there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Princling Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I love threads like this. 1: Tywin is not that good of a politician. He was way too quick to use violence and ended up gaining more enemies than friends who are ready to pounce on his family once he died (Dorne, Riverlands and etc.). 2: Aeron Greyjoy is actually a very interesting character. Victarion and Asha are also great. Theon goes without saying. 3: Renly and Stannis are both too stubborn. Renly should have bended the knee to Stannis. Stannis should have swallowed his pride and actually made an attempt at making friends/being nicer instead of just expecting people to submit to someone they dislike (and I like Stannis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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