The Rise and Fall of Kanye West

[kiko]

On 12/3/2022 at 12:49 PM, Varysblackfyre321 said:

His name is Ye west. Just wondered if we should respect his name change,

That's something I was wondering too but didn't dare to ask. What's the best practice here?

[Ran]

If that is his legal name, we should use it, certainly.

[Chataya de Fleury]

55 minutes ago, Ran said:

If that is his legal name, we should use it, certainly.

As a young lady who has previously legally changed her name (removing a never-used first name which only Caused Issues at passport control and such) I can assure all that a legal name change is not an easy process and is not undertaken lightly.

[karaddin]

Is it Ye West? I thought he'd changed it to just "Ye". Certainly no risk of confusing anything we say in this thread of talking about another Ye though.

[Spockydog]

When I was working as a project manager for Amex, one of my projects was almost completely derailed when a very rich and famous Platinum Card holder insisted on changing the name on his card to Fungus the Bogeyman, to disguise some potentially embarrassing spending habits.

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Spockydog

[mormont]

Personally I call people what they choose to be called, as a matter of good manners (I used to make an exception for Mohammed Al Fayed, because the 'al' is really an honorific he's not entitled to, but whatever, if he wants to use it.)

Anyway, my point is that, as ever with good manners, there's more flexibility with how we talk about famous people than there is with each other. Being rude about someone not on the board =/= being rude to someone on the board. That would include using preferred names.

Deadnaming trans people, OTOH, is another kettle of fish. That's offensive to a number of users who themselves are trans.

[Secretary of Eumenes]

So Ye is an insane danger to himself and others, he should be deprived his basic freedoms because of this, including the ability to say what he wants to say.

 

But also make sure you call him Ye or ye may be a jerk. 

[Just trying to keep my How to Be a Properly Braindead, but still Reactive to Percieved Injustices, Liberal notes coherent] 

But I'm the condescening asshole, eh? 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Fire and Jace

[Tywin et al.]

Debating an artist's rebranding is so missing the the point of why this thread matters.

[Secretary of Eumenes]

Just now, Tywin et al. said:

Debating an artist's rebranding is so missing the the point of why this thread matters.

Why does it matter? Frankly to me it looks like a place for people to pretend to be concerned about someone, throwing 'mental health' buzzwords around like prescriptive garnish.

I've seen grave robbings that were less cynical than you people and twice as honest about what they came for.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Tell us more about your time in Florida, what else did you witness? (197)

[kiko]

34 minutes ago, Fire and Jace said:

So Ye is an insane danger to himself and others, he should be deprived his basic freedoms because of this, including the ability to say what he wants to say.

 

But also make sure you call him Ye or ye may be a jerk. 

[Just trying to keep my How to Be a Properly Braindead, but still Reactive to Percieved Injustices, Liberal notes coherent] 

But I'm the condescening asshole, eh? 

I don't think it would cost us anything to try to be respectful and accepting where we can. Doesn't mean we need to agree with everything he says or does.

 

[Chataya de Fleury]

27 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Tell us more about your time in Florida, what else did you witness? (197)

Indeed, one wonders if said grave robbings referenced were merely re-watches of “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom”.

[Martell Spy]

The main danger about Ye was that he was embarrassing members the far right such as Alex Jones. He needed to be shut down so they can go back to the usual business tickling the balls of white supremacists.

[Secretary of Eumenes]

22 minutes ago, kiko said:

I don't think it would cost us anything to try to be respectful and accepting where we can. Doesn't mean we need to agree with everything he says or does.

 

I agree completely. 

But until you present evidence that he, HIMSELF, is a threat to living beings then you have no right to call for his muzzling or his incarceration.

Obviously it's fucking wrong and gross that he uses his powers and his liberties to spread lies and tear down others. 

Being the good guys means honoring ideals even when it's hard. 

This is basic good guy shit. Chamber of Secrets shit.

[Tywin et al.]

18 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

The main danger about Ye was that he was embarrassing members the far right 

No. That was not the main danger at all.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

1 hour ago, Fire and Jace said:

I agree completely. 

But until you present evidence that he, HIMSELF, is a threat to living beings then you have no right to call for his muzzling or his incarceration.

Obviously it's fucking wrong and gross that he uses his powers and his liberties to spread lies and tear down others. 

Being the good guys means honoring ideals even when it's hard. 

This is basic good guy shit. Chamber of Secrets shit.

Yes, assholes have the right to spread their vitriol.  But remember who their vitriol empowers:

 

[Conflicting Thought]

1 hour ago, Fire and Jace said:

I agree completely. 

But until you present evidence that he, HIMSELF, is a threat to living beings then you have no right to call for his muzzling or his incarceration.

Obviously it's fucking wrong and gross that he uses his powers and his liberties to spread lies and tear down others. 

Being the good guys means honoring ideals even when it's hard. 

This is basic good guy shit. Chamber of Secrets shit.

stochastic terrorism

[DMC]

2 hours ago, Fire and Jace said:

I've seen grave robbings that were less cynical than you people and twice as honest about what they came for.

You've seen grave robbings?  Creepy.

[Tywin et al.]

15 minutes ago, DMC said:

You've seen grave robbings?  Creepy.

Even Henry Hill vomited at the sight of one.

Want a wing?

[Secretary of Eumenes]

28 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Yes, assholes have the right to spread their vitriol.  But remember who their vitriol empowers:

 

I know. And Kanye has revealed who he really is. 

But it was not long ago that people in this country were diagnosed insane for their sexual orientations and expressions. Be careful calling for official powers to determine someone's fitness for freedom: those powers may not always belong to your side

22 minutes ago, Conflicting Thought said:

stochastic terrorism

Lol

14 minutes ago, DMC said:

You've seen grave robbings?  Creepy.

Dark Lords don't reanimate themselves. 

#workethic