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1st time creating a thread so here goes

Just for fun pick a region/regions where an alternative house ruled the region and how it would affect the culture/development of the area

 

Example

The north: the red kings win their wars vs winterfell and burn it down leaving boltons the wardens of the cold north!

The greystarks ruled white knife and never develop it as well as the  fleeing rich manderlys did, the boltons flay the secrets of the wall and warging out of their vassals. The wall is well manned as criminals of all kinds prefer to take the black than face a skinning knife.and wildlings are less likely to cross over and face torture if caught.

Without the slow steady influx of wildling blood, an underdeveloped white harbour and no wintertown  or winterfell steam to protect from.the cold winters the north is a far more underpopulated and desolate place! 1st night is widely practiced and whatever abput the starks held the others back  is gone thus westeros doom approaches much sooner!!

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21 minutes ago, Kinola said:

Rhaegar wins Robert's Rebellion.

I like Rhaegar but he's not steady enough to lead Westeros through the Long Night.  He runs to another woman and insults the honor of his wife and her family.  It's not a good personal quality for a prince.  He was lacking.  It was selfish. 

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4 minutes ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

No Targaryen is equal to Ironborn rule.  Black Harren Hoare would spread his control of Westeros.  It will be three hundred years of "we-don't-sow" misery instead of the peaceful prosperity of the Targaryens,

Not really. The Riverlands and Crownlands would’ve been screwed but the rest of the Kingdoms would’ve been relatively ok. 

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8 minutes ago, KingEuronGreyjoy said:

Not really. The Riverlands and Crownlands would’ve been screwed but the rest of the Kingdoms would’ve been relatively ok. 

No, House Hoare was gunning for the Stormlands next. The whole reason Argilac tried reaching out to Aegon in the first place was because he needed an ally in his upcoming war with the Ironborn.

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4 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

No Targaryen is equal to Ironborn rule.  Black Harren Hoare would spread his control of Westeros.  It will be three hundred years of "we-don't-sow" misery instead of the peaceful prosperity of the Targaryens,

We do not sow is a Greyjoy and Old Way thing, not a Hoare thing, as the Hoares had long stopped practicing the Old Way. 

Also the Hoares already tried to expend their dominion beyond the Riverlands, trying to invade the Vale, the Westerlands and Reach only for their attempts to fail miserably. 

At best they could have expanded a bit on the lands that later become the Crownlands and the Stormlands if they won against the Durrandons but the limits of the Ironborn manpower and the unstability of the Riverlands and lack of loyalty of the Riverlanders, forcing the Hoares to always keep an eye on the Riverlords, would have always limited their ability for expansion. 

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I think there was a balance of power thing going on, so if the Ironborn had tried to expand further then the Reach, Westerlands and anyone else who was concerned would have invaded them and cut them down to size again. This would explain why the borders of the kingdoms seemed to stay roughly the same for hundreds to thousands of years.

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6 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

Bolton rule is not different to the Stark's reign. The family had sons like Domeric.  Ramsay is not the usual lord.  Lady Walda's son (of the future) will grow up like Domeric. 

there is no chance Fat Walda's son grows up to do anything

But your right some of them were like Domeric or more likely smarter if they lived long enough to become and stay lords

I actually had an idea for one a while back, Rufus 'The Red Wolf' Bolton (hes part Stark, part Blackwood and got Red Rain back off the ironborn)

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47 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

I think there was a balance of power thing going on, so if the Ironborn had tried to expand further then the Reach, Westerlands and anyone else who was concerned would have invaded them and cut them down to size again. This would explain why the borders of the kingdoms seemed to stay roughly the same for hundreds to thousands of years.

Plus the Hightower and Arbour kingdoms agreed to be one with the Gardeners creating a block that can be resisted but never overcome

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7 hours ago, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

No Targaryen is equal to Ironborn rule.  Black Harren Hoare would spread his control of Westeros.  It will be three hundred years of "we-don't-sow" misery instead of the peaceful prosperity of the Targaryens,

The Ironborn would be stopped. If not by other Westerosi houses, Ironborn themselves would do it because continent-based Ironborn of Harrenhal would not get along with the Ironborn of the Iron Islands in the long run.

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15 hours ago, astarkchoice said:

slow steady influx of wildling blood

Just so you know, entire Wildling population is some 30.000 thousand as seen with Mance’s host. Even the hastily gathered army Robb took south is 20.000 strong. A KitN should’ve long ago struck a deal with one of the KbtW with the promise of land to launch an invasion of Vale or Iron Islands and settle them there.

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34 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Just so you know, entire Wildling population is some 30.000 thousand as seen with Mance’s host. Even the hastily gathered army Robb took south is 20.000 strong. A KitN should’ve long ago struck a deal with one of the KbtW with the promise of land to launch an invasion of Vale or Iron Islands and settle them there.

Theres no way it was that small historically, they would have lasted only a few centuries before inbreeding killed them off if it was

there were about a hundred thousand remaining after years of white walker attacks and however many died during mances persuading them to come together, march thousands of years etc

there were probably ten times that before the white walkers started killing them in job lots

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Ghis beats Valyria. They find a way to kill\bind dragons. Eventually they will fall but without Valyria the Western shore of Essos is underdeveloped. Some of the seven kingdoms found colonies there, and they compete with the Rhoynish empire. 

OR

The Dothraki actually behave in a realistic way and following an early period of expansion settle down to found Khaldoms that become stable kingdoms like the Mongols\Turkic people did. Something of the split between Western\Eastern Europe\Christianity occurs between the inland free cities and the coastal ones.

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