U.S politics: You got knocked the Warnocked out:

[DMC]

Anyway, in actual news - Top appropriators clinch deal on government funding framework.  Obviously the deal is tentative, but sounds like ECA reform and Ukraine funding will be a part of it:

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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said earlier Tuesday that a revamp of the outdated Electoral Count Act and emergency money for Ukraine will be included in the year-end bill. Other provisions, including tax provisions like an extension of the enhanced Child Tax Credit, are much less certain.

 

[The Anti-Targ]

11 minutes ago, DMC said:

And you should know the discussion was about whether or not Roe/abortion will be as significant a boost to Dems' electoral chances in 2024 as it was last month - which as I explained it won't be for the simple fact the Dems aren't going to have to worry about turning out voters in a presidential cycle.

But it's not just about turnout, it's about what is going to motivate the swinging centre in how they cast their vote (and whether it will get the left to line up behind Biden or drift towards a third party who better represents their views). The swinging centre will mostly be sympathetic towards pro-choice policies. But if their focus is dragged across to the economy they might make their choice on the basis of wanting to punish those who are currently in charge regardless of who's responsible and what could have practically been done to prevent or mitigate the economic problems of the day. 

Biden needs to assume the House won't pass any legislation that either he wants or that would be helpful to the country's economic prospects (because such legislation would help him get re-elected, and just move forward with the tools available to the president to do what can be done to keep the middle and low income demographics financially afloat.

Then in 2024 if the economic picture is not favourable the Democratic campaign narrative needs to focus on social justice issues, like RvW.

I predict our Labour party will use RvW for our 2023 election. They will say that just like in the USA where many people were sure RvW was secure the right can't be trusted to leave issues like abortion and gay marriage alone. We had plenty of conservative politicians here tweeting their pleasure at SCOTUS overturning RvW.

[DMC]

13 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

But it's not just about turnout, it's about what is going to motivate the swinging centre in how they cast their vote (and whether it will get the left to line up behind Biden or drift towards a third party who better represents their views).

Nope, it's about turnout.  Virtually everybody that turned out in the midterms because of Roe/Dobbs will be voting in a presidential cycle - and will be voting for the Democratic candidate (well, unless they were happy about the decision, obviously).  "Swing voters" may be pro-choice, but that's not what they're gonna vote on.  In large part because "swing voters" are largely uneducated white males - as well as increasingly uneducated latino males.  Hell, if we're looking at this purely irt women voters, the gender gap actually DECREASED from 2020 (57 to 42) to 2022 (53 to 45).

[Starkess]

4 hours ago, DMC said:

No, it's not.  In the US it's about 77 for all Americans, 80 for women.

Further adding that for a woman aged 62, it's actually 85, so really this argument is even stupider.

4 hours ago, DMC said:

Again, it's ridiculous overworrying, not to mention offensive and bordering on ageism.  

Basically. I don't know how anyone can compare Ginsburg, a woman in her 80s who'd already had 2 bouts of cancer, with a 62 year-old woman with no known major health issues. It's absurd.