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Realistically, what would have happened if Renly had killed Stannis at Storm’s End?


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Let’s assume that the shadowbaby failed somehow, so Stannis was left with just five thousand men facing twenty thousand knights and horsemen. Renly’s battle plan is carried out, and Stannis dies with a sword in hand. What then? What do Tywin and Robb and Tyrion and Varys and Balon and Doran and the rest do differently? Would Renly be able to take the throne for himself? Would he be able to keep it?

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5 minutes ago, Canon Claude said:

What then?

Renly keeps his plan of besieging KL from afar and letting Starks and Lannisters to bleed each other dry.

 

6 minutes ago, Canon Claude said:

What do Tywin and Robb and Tyrion and Balon and Doran and the rest do differently?

The plans of those people had nothing to do with the battle on Storm's End, eventually Doran pledges fealty.

Robb has two options, bend the knee or be bleed dry. Tywin is going to fight to the end because i very much doubt Renly is stupid enough to want him alive.

At the end of the day, Tywin and Robb had each other pinned down, the winner is going to be routed by Renly.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Canon Claude said:

Would Renly be able to take the throne for himself?

Without doubt.

 

10 minutes ago, Canon Claude said:

Would he be able to keep it?

From Aegon? Absolutely. Faegon doesn't even try with Renly alive.

From Dany? No chance. But then again, Queenie is stacked so there is little to do there.

 

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6 minutes ago, Canon Claude said:

Let’s assume that the shadowbaby failed somehow, so Stannis was left with just five thousand men facing twenty thousand knights and horsemen. Renly’s battle plan is carried out, and Stannis dies with a sword in hand. What then? What do Tywin and Robb and Tyrion and Varys and Balon and Doran and the rest do differently? Would Renly be able to take the throne for himself? Would he be able to keep it?

Honestly Stannis probably wins anyway, captures Margarie and forces the Tyrells to submit in exchange for her safe return after the war

But if he does die then the Lannisters make peace with Robb even if it means letting the North have the Riverlands and the Golden Tooth, Tywin them marches to Kingslanding while seeking to get Balon and Doran on side no matter he has to give them in return.

Balon is a moron so he says no, Doran wants Tywin slow roasted so he says no, Littlefinger tries but fails to get the Vale to back Tywin so he gets them to back Robb instead figuring that hiding in the Aerie beats getting between Tywin and Olenna Tyrell

the Lannisters are defeated but destroy half the Tyrell army with Wildfire

Renly rules for several years then the Dragon Queen arrives and kills him, takes over the south with Edric as Lord of the Stormlands, Myrcella as Lady of Casterly Rock and Asha as Lady of the Isles.

Danerys flies north when the white walkers invade and dies along with two of her dragons in the battle at Winterfell.

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3 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Honestly Stannis probably wins anyway, captures Margarie and forces the Tyrells to submit in exchange for her safe return after the war

Magician Stannis, not only capable of winning against an army of well discliplined 20k soldiers v his rabble 5k but then goes to Bitterbridge and just routes an army of 80k and captures Margaery. One must ask one self how did he even lost at the Blackwater or why did he even needed Renly's army.

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3 minutes ago, frenin said:

Magician Stannis, not only capable of winning against an army of well discliplined 20k soldiers v his rabble 5k but then goes to Bitterbridge and just routes an army of 80k and captures Margaery. One must ask one self how did he even lost at the Blackwater or why did he even needed Renly's army.

Wasn't margarie at Storms End with Loras and Renly

Besides as a commander Stannis is at least five times better than Renly, Randal Tarly probably the third best commander is westeros directly suggests Renly bring more men

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8 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Wasn't margarie at Storms End with Loras and Renly

 

No.

8 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Randal Tarly probably the third best commander is westeros directly suggests Renly bring more men

He did not.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

How can you say this when we've never seen Renly lead an army in battle? He is killed before he can so his skill is unknown.

Stannis is not, hes proven extremely capable on land and at sea even when outnumbered

Hes also not crazy, he must have a plan to either win or retreat and I think he could win

But I also did the other possibility which nobody commented on yet

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48 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Stannis is not, hes proven extremely capable on land and at sea even when outnumbered

Sea, perhaps, but when has he proven extremely capable on land? Aside from taking the wilding refugee camp/army by surprise and having superior equipment, he hasn't won any battles on land that we've seen, unless I'm forgetting one. He lost at the Blackwater. Before that he 'won' by assassinating Renly. The only other thing he did was hold Storm's End for a year, one of the best fortresses ever.

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2 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

Sea, perhaps, but when has he proven extremely capable on land? Aside from taking the wilding refugee camp/army by surprise and having superior equipment, he hasn't won any battles on land that we've seen, unless I'm forgetting one. He lost at the Blackwater. Before that he 'won' by assassinating Renly. The only other thing he did was hold Storm's End for a year, one of the best fortresses ever.

To be fair, the wildings had him out numbered ten to one, in that particular battle. I think more went into winning that battle, than just his men having better equipment.

Stannis also beat Asha's small army as well, which counts as a land victory. Recapturing Deepwood Motte for the North.

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3 hours ago, frenin said:

Renly keeps his plan of besieging KL from afar and letting Starks and Lannisters to bleed each other dry.

 

The plans of those people had nothing to do with the battle on Storm's End, eventually Doran pledges fealty.

Robb has two options, bend the knee or be bleed dry. Tywin is going to fight to the end because i very much doubt Renly is stupid enough to want him alive.

At the end of the day, Tywin and Robb had each other pinned down, the winner is going to be routed by Renly.

 

 

Without doubt.

 

From Aegon? Absolutely. Faegon doesn't even try with Renly alive.

From Dany? No chance. But then again, Queenie is stacked so there is little to do there.

 

You seem very confident in Renly's ability to take the throne. He's definitely charismatic enough and he's got the ability to maneuver his way in high circles, but that doesn't change the fact that Varys and Littlefinger would both be plotting against him. And we know just how dangerous they both are.

And that's before even mentioning Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons. Even if FAegon's Golden Company stays away, Dany won't. Plus there's no way that Renly will be able to heal over all the wounds from the War of the Five Kings. Sure, he'd have the Reach and the Stormlands, but depending on how the war goes, there could be a lot of ill feeling within the Riverlands, the North, the Westerlands, and the Crownlands. The Iron Islands would still be making mischief, the Vale is still a wild card, and Dorne would instantly join Daenerys' cause in the name of revenge. There's so many variables that I don't think it's a given that Renly, or anyone for that matter, would be able to hold the throne for long.

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Stannis has a powerful seer with him, it's the very reason he went to SE in the first place, trusting Mel's visions.

10 hours ago, frenin said:

Magician Stannis, not only capable of winning against an army of well discliplined 20k soldiers v his rabble 5k but then goes to Bitterbridge and just routes an army of 80k and captures Margaery. One must ask one self how did he even lost at the Blackwater or why did he even needed Renly's army.

He lost at KL because he left his maegi behind.

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9 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

Sea, perhaps, but when has he proven extremely capable on land? Aside from taking the wilding refugee camp/army by surprise and having superior equipment, he hasn't won any battles on land that we've seen, unless I'm forgetting one. He lost at the Blackwater. Before that he 'won' by assassinating Renly. The only other thing he did was hold Storm's End for a year, one of the best fortresses ever.

He fights in the seas and oceans, would've fought with growing confidence and growing strength in air, had he got the dragons, and he defends his island whatever the cost may be. He fights in the beaches and in landing grounds he fights in streets and in fields, he fights in the hills and never surrenders.

Stannis didn't win just any land battle, he led an amphibious assault at Great Wyk and subdued it. Remember that this island is so larger than the others that it has castles inland. So after fighting in the sea he fought them in the beaches and landing grounds and then hills and fields(I doubt Ironborn have proper streets). Stannis is a military genius. 

It's not out of the question if facing Danaerys he'd devise some sort of anti air capability and take down those dragons as well. The guy defeated Ironborn, who live their entire lives at sea, in their home territory despite being master of ships for only a few years and the trauma he has suffered as a child, his parents dying at sea. He will have no trouble in defeating dragons that aren't even fully developed. Daenerys best come with a treaty at hand against the only enemy that matters, offering her hand in marriage saying that their common ancestor, Aegon, took two wives and Stannis deserves no less since there's no other man he can be compared to with his military genius, or Stannis will bitch slap her, killing those child eating dragons.

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9 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

Sea, perhaps, but when has he proven extremely capable on land? Aside from taking the wilding refugee camp/army by surprise and having superior equipment, he hasn't won any battles on land that we've seen, unless I'm forgetting one. He lost at the Blackwater. Before that he 'won' by assassinating Renly. The only other thing he did was hold Storm's End for a year, one of the best fortresses ever.

He lost because the Tyrells arrived with 60k fresh troops and took him by surprise

He held Storms End for a year against more Tyrells than that (since Cersei had the Redwynes)

Stannis beating the Wildings by surprise when outnumbered is a lot more impressive than Tyrells beating Stannis by surprise and superior numbers.

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6 hours ago, James Steller said:

You seem very confident in Renly's ability to take the throne. He's definitely charismatic enough and he's got the ability to maneuver his way in high circles, but that doesn't change the fact that Varys and Littlefinger would both be plotting against him. And we know just how dangerous they both are.

Maybe maybe not but he can always kill them, i very much doubt that Varys would try to hide for him, Renly has showed him no apparent hostility and LF wanted to put Renly on the throne anyway.

 

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

He lost at KL because he left his maegi behind.

Maegi or not, there is little he can do against a 90k army.

 

6 hours ago, James Steller said:

And that's before even mentioning Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons.

I have already stated he cannot keep the throne against Dany.

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