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12 minutes ago, JGP said:

Is there not any more rational or traditional types that could make it happen? There's no way the GOP primary spits out a surprise?  

 

There's certainly a good possibility someone other than Trump or DeSantis win the nomination, sure.  Trump is weak and there's a good chance DeSantis will flounder in the big leagues.  However, there's far less of a chance that person will be a "rational or traditional type."  I mean, looking at the potential field, who would that be?  The closest, I guess, would be Haley or Youngkin.  Which..still isn't for me.  The only real hope there would be Larry Hogan, and fat chance there.

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4 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Okay, I’m being a tad facetious, but if it helps to, excuse me, belittle DeSantis in the public eye, hey, call him not tall enough!

Zero problem with that. If he's sensitive sting him. Was speaking to reasons to oppose DeSantis as an individual. There's lots.

If he beats Trump. :p

 

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2 minutes ago, DMC said:

There's certainly a good possibility someone other than Trump or DeSantis win the nomination, sure.  Trump is weak and there's a good chance DeSantis will flounder in the big leagues.  However, there's far less of a chance that person will be a "rational or traditional type."  I mean, looking at the potential field, who would that be?  The closest, I guess, would be Haley or Youngkin.  Which.. still isn't for me.  The only real hope there would be Larry Hogan, and fat chance there.

Haley.

Please. Don't do that to me. 

Dog's breakfast, that whole situation. I wish them nothing but ill chance with it. Enjoy, fuckers.  

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Here are some of the possible reasons why DeSantis hasn't announced a run for president, yet:

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.... Reason 1
If DeSantis decides to run for president while remaining governor, it will likely require a change to Florida law. Florida currently says state officeholders must resign their positions if they run for a federal office. But Republican lawmakers, including state Senate President Kathleen Passidomo, say don't worry about the law — the legislature will repeal it. "When you think about it," Passidomo recently told reporters, "if an individual who ... is a Florida governor is running for president, he should be allowed to do it. ....

o it."

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142680625/will-desantis-run-2024-president-campaign-trump

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22 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Here are some of the possible reasons why DeSantis hasn't announced a run for president, yet:

That sounds like a silly law.  Both Rubio and Bob Graham ran for president as US Senators from Florida, don't see why DeSantis shouldn't be able to.  I also wonder how long that law has existed.  Crist ran for US Senate while he was still governor in 2010.  ETA:  Come to think of it so did Rick Scott in 2018.

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.... Their model has always been Erdogan, Putin and similar global strongmen. .....

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/strongman-envy

 
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One of the most bracing, bizarre aspects of Mark Meadows texts with members of Congress is the fact that many truly seemed to believe the most absurd claims and conspiracy theories. This wasn’t just red meat they were tossing out on Fox and Newsmax. They were saying this stuff, in earnest, in the privacy of text messages with longtime colleagues. But even this, I would say, isn’t the heart of the matter. There’s something else we see in the very first texts, before the TV networks called the race but when the writing was clearly on the wall. It can most easily be summarized as: Trump can’t be allowed to lose. On November 6th Rep. Brian Babin tells Meadows that they “refuse to live under a corrupt Marxist dictatorship.”

There are various comments like this. Trump has simply been too good a President. And we can’t let him not be President. If we lost, we have to figure out a way to un-lose, and fast. Or there’s Rep. Rick Allen’s comment that the nation is in a state of “Spiritual War at the highest level.” It’s all of a piece. The impulse precedes the evidence.

Not all of these characters are members of the House Freedom Caucus. But most are. (In one telling detail, Babin was a member of the HFC but resigned because it proved insufficiently loyal to Donald Trump.) Meadows himself was one of the group’s founders. Ron DeSantis was another member during his three terms in Congress. Someone recently remarked to me that the Freedom Caucus is libertarian in opposition and authoritarian in power — which is a good way to put it but also simply another way of describing authoritarians. Authoritarians don’t have any generalized belief in untrammeled expressions of power. They believe in the untrammeled expression of their own power.

And that makes the simple point. The people in the Freedom Caucus have always been a dangerous group of authoritarian radicals. The one member who was a genuine libertarian, Justin Amash, was quickly purged from the group and booted out of Congress once Trump’s presidency brought out the group’s true nature. People are allowed to have such views. People can even elect them to Congress. But they must be seen in that light, like any other radicals awash in unAmerican ideas. Their model has always been Erdogan, Putin and similar global strongmen.

 

 

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1 hour ago, DMC said:

There's certainly a good possibility someone other than Trump or DeSantis win the nomination, sure.  Trump is weak and there's a good chance DeSantis will flounder in the big leagues.  However, there's far less of a chance that person will be a "rational or traditional type."  I mean, looking at the potential field, who would that be?  The closest, I guess, would be Haley or Youngkin.  Which..still isn't for me.  The only real hope there would be Larry Hogan, and fat chance there.

You are of course forgetting the obvious alternative to Trump and DeSantis - Elon Musk. 

 

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3 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

You are of course forgetting the obvious alternative to Trump and DeSantis - Elon Musk. 

Most would view Musk as ineligible, even among Republicans.

Anyway on this politicians and height thing I think it's kinda of overblown.  In terms of presidents our most recent "short" president was Jimmy Carter.  There's more recent nominees though - Michael Dukakis, McCain, and of course Hilldog.  If DeSantis was more charismatic and a better orator I don't think his height would be a problem.

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So John Boehner was at Pelosi's portrait unveiling today.  Get this -- he got emotional:

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“You’ve been unfailingly gracious to me, to my family and, frankly, my team here in Washington. And Madam Speaker, I have to say, my girls told me, ‘tell the Speaker how much we admire her,’” Boehner said, choking up at the podium.

“If you couldn’t tell, my girls are Democrats,” he quipped after the crowd applauded.

 

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1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

If, as some are predicting, Trump’s “big announcement” tomorrow is that he wants the Speakership… will he be laughed at by the Republican establishment… will they fall in line and back him… or will this seriously fragment the Congressional Republican Party?

Trump as Speaker of the House?  Seriously?

I'll just assume that he hasn't read the job requirements, nor has anyone else who advises him.

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1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

Trump as Speaker of the House?  Seriously?

I'll just assume that he hasn't read the job requirements, nor has anyone else who advises him.

He wouldn't care about that. It would just be a "fuck you" to Pelosi. That said I would not bet anything on him becoming Speaker, but the news box is saying McCarthy may not have the votes.

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Pretty sure I saw a report just a day or two ago from Maggie Haberman that Trump was working the phones to get McCarthy elected Speaker.  Moreover, I don't see why he'd want the job, he probably views it as beneath him.  Nine times out of ten his "major announcements" amount to jack shit, but I suppose he could be announcing a running mate.  Or perhaps, I suppose, he's decided to throw his support to someone else for Speaker.

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