Covid 48： The Long March

[Varysblackfyre321]

7 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

I did.

Oh If you truly believe that it’s unfortunate. I hope someday you recognize what’d been asked of you: that being where does WHO discourage(like you’ve done to a stranger online for offhandedly saying they got boosted), people from getting boosted for Covid because the benefits would be minimal? 

Edited September 1 by Varysblackfyre321

[Heartofice]

Just now, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Oh If you truly believe that it’s unfortunate. I hope someday you recognize what’d been asked of you: that being where does WHO discourage(like you’ve done to a stranger online for offhandedly saying they got boosted), people from getting boosted for Covid.

So when i said the below did you ignore it or just not read it?

“ That doesn’t mean don’t get one, but it’s very clear, the benefits are very small, because your level of immunity is already very likely to be high.”

[Which Tyler]

Discussing in bad faith just isn't worth it

Edited September 1 by Which Tyler

[Heartofice]

51 minutes ago, Which Tyler said:

Discussing in bad faith just isn't worth it

Which bit of it is bad faith? I've been very clear as to the point I've been making.

[Padraig]

1 minute ago, Heartofice said:

Which bit of it is bad faith? I've been very clear as to the point I've been making.

Have you read "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman?  Great book.  This discussion reminds me of it, even though it has been years since I read it.

I believe it pointed out (admittedly, obvious when you think about it) things like how people view a 1% increase in the chance of dying (or winning the lottery) far differently than a 1% increase in the chance of getting a papercut (or finding 10 cent).

Mathematically you can kind of "prove" what the "correct" decision is.  But people don't work based on Maths.  And while people should be made aware of when they are completely illogical (e.g. if the WHO was telling people not to get a vaccine), the above kind of decision based logic is very personal and there is no real "right" answer. 

The real benefit to any person is that they are self-aware of their logic, so they aren't mildly fooling themselves.

[mormont]

As marginal as the benefit of someone getting a booster may be, I can't imagine it's any less marginal than the benefit of arguing about it for two full pages. 

[Heartofice]

1 hour ago, Padraig said:

Have you read "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman?  Great book.  This discussion reminds me of it, even though it has been years since I read it.

I believe it pointed out (admittedly, obvious when you think about it) things like how people view a 1% increase in the chance of dying (or winning the lottery) far differently than a 1% increase in the chance of getting a papercut (or finding 10 cent).

Mathematically you can kind of "prove" what the "correct" decision is.  But people don't work based on Maths.  And while people should be made aware of when they are completely illogical (e.g. if the WHO was telling people not to get a vaccine), the above kind of decision based logic is very personal and there is no real "right" answer. 

The real benefit to any person is that they are self-aware of their logic, so they aren't mildly fooling themselves.

I have read it a long time ago, probably didn't finish it, but I take your point. People are essentially quite bad at working out probability, but also there is a lot of emotion wrapped up in the topic, and I get that. It doesn't mean that we should just pander to that lack of logic or not point it out when it's being displayed. 
 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

8 hours ago, Heartofice said:

I’m just repeating WHO guidance here guys, remember if you aren’t in a vulnerable category and you’ve already had previous jabs and infections then the benefits of additional boosters are absolutely minimal.

But I guess it’s ok to ignore WHO guidance when it doesn’t fit your worldview 

Guidance from six months ago. 

Guidance that has nothing to say about the latest variant.

Guidance that has nothing to say about the recent spike in hospitalizations in my country… because it’s from six months ago. 

It’s been two days since my jab and I feel fine BTW. 

[Heartofice]

4 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Guidance from six months ago. 

Guidance that has nothing to say about the latest variant.

Guidance that has nothing to say about the recent spike in hospitalizations in my country… because it’s from six months ago. 

It’s been two days since my jab and I feel fine BTW. 

WHO have updated their guidance page in August... and that advice hasn't changed.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

1 hour ago, Heartofice said:

WHO have updated their guidance page in August... and that advice hasn't changed.

The ones that referred to the bivalent vaccine booster and “very little” additional protection? Well I want the additional protection and, for the second time, I never received a dose of the bivalent vaccine. 

Jesus fucking Christ; all this back and forth has literally consumed more time and energy than actually getting jabbed; with zero benefit. Well done you.

and BTW, I have never hectored anyone on this board for their decision to gat jabbed or not. And if you’re non-plused by people wearing their jabs as “a badge of honour”, get ready kitten, because the pronouncements are going to be coming in the regular.

[Zorral]

The recommendations to not get the present vaccine for those who aren't at big, direct risk is that these vaccines are all geared for the previous incarnations of covid.  The recommendations actually are to wait a few weeks until the new vaccines are available this fall, formulated more for the new and emerging covid strains.

This is anything but stating that vaccination is of no use for covid, or recommending not getting vaccinated.

What's so difficult to understand about that?  Clearly there are those whose mentally challenged conditions have them lacking the capacity to comprehend this simple explanation and language. 

Edited September 1 by Zorral

[Heartofice]

21 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

 Well I want the additional protection

Great, but at least you are admitting that actually you just want the vaccine, you don’t need it.

Honestly I’m not sure what all this back and forth is for either, I’m just stating facts at you, sorry if you don’t like that.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

40 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Great, but at least you are admitting that actually you just want the vaccine, you don’t need it.

I never said any such thing. I also have no interest in what you consider an “admission” or whether or not it’s “great”.

[Zorral]

It seems like everyone has Covid-19. Here’s why this wave is probably worse than official data suggests

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/01/health/covid-case-data-wave/index.html

Additionally -- YAY!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/25/health/covid-vaccine-release/index.html

Quote

Covid-19 vaccines that have been tweaked to teach the body how to fend off the current crop of circulating variants are now expected to land in drugstores and clinics in mid-September, CDC and FDA officials said.

Everybody who hopes to avoid becoming seriously ill from covid needs the vaccine.  Alas that so many who need it, and want it, don't have access to it. Yet, by taking these small, very slight if at all inconveniences (for those of us lucky enough at least to stay home with reactions to our vaccinations, whether flu, or pneumonia, covid, etc., we can keep this latest covid wave light, in comparison to the previous ones.  What is wrong with this?  Why -- nothing!

Why do the hysterical anti-precautions sorts even log into sites that discuss numbers and precautions since they don't believe in any of it?  To congregate to weenie wag their manly, dominant and bigly little silly selves? 

That's just pathetic, Silly Persons.

Edited September 1 by Zorral

[Zorral]

Now we know this is a real covid deal!  James Hetfield tested positive.

Metallica Cancels Show After Lead Singer Gets COVID
Metallica reschedules 2nd Phoenix concert due to COVID-19 after ending early Friday

https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2023/09/02/metallica-reschedules-2nd-phoenix-concert-james-hetfield-has-covid-19/70754798007/

 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

This is a bit old, but I just found it.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6731344

Yeah, Covid doesn’t explain it; the Alberta governments shitty job dealing with the pandemic explains it perfectly. Don’t overcomplicate things.

Or it could be a total coincidence. Sure…
 

[Iskaral Pust]

We’ve had COVID this past week after a trip to Las Vegas (henceforth Las Plagueas) to see a comedy show.  We were careful with masking everywhere except while eating in restaurants, plus using Enovid spray, but I guess that wasn’t enough.

I still haven’t tested positive with the home tests but my wife did and we definitely have the same virus.  It hit our son only lightly, thankfully.  I was able to work remotely all week with DayQuil keeping the fever at bay, so not as bad as the virus* I had in May.  Now I’m just waiting to see how long it will take to get rid of this cough and chest congestion.

*Which was probably COVID too even though I didn’t test positive then either.  It was very similar but with a more intense fever, and the chest congestion took weeks to clear afterward.

We were planning to get the newly formulated booster shot as soon as it arrives but now we’ll probably wait until December to optimize our windows of immunity boost. 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

Where I am, there’s a five month interval where you’re not eligible to get poked after getting poked. They also recommend five months after a confirmed Covid infection. Strong antibodies, etc, etc.

[Fragile Bird]

It seems like everyone I know who’s gone traveling comes back with Covid. The most recent are friends who returned on Saturday after being in Italy for a month (she’s a professor who teaches a course). Her husband and adult daughter have both tested positive, but she hasn’t…yet.

That just makes me feel gloomy. I want to go to Glasgow for Worldcon next year.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

28 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

It seems like everyone I know who’s gone traveling comes back with Covid. The most recent are friends who returned on Saturday after being in Italy for a month (she’s a professor who teaches a course). Her husband and adult daughter have both tested positive, but she hasn’t…yet.

That just makes me feel gloomy. I want to go to Glasgow for Worldcon next year.

You could cosplay as something that has an air bottle and functioning respirator as part of the outfit. 

Your friends are obviously spies. "Professor who teaches a course has to go to Italy because 'reasons'." Uh, huh. Daughter's probably a assassin. Bet they're not even related.