Cas Stark Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 15 minutes ago, JGP said: They are now, certainly, and I don't blame them. I got a few family members [and a close friend of almost 30 years] whose bullshit I'd finally had enough of and cut them right the fuck out my and my daughters' lives. A few have since tried to circumvent it, or you know, felt unfairly judged and started up with other grievance airing. Didn't work out well for them. Hasn't for the Windsors either. Add whatever role and expectations the monarchy occupy in British society, inherent prejudice, tradition, blar de blar. You're a member of a royal family and not only do they not go to bat for you and your new wife, they start undermining your effort to combat it yourself? That's assbackwards shit. And in no world, unless you're some kind of long suffering passive beesh, is that going to be best path for everyone involved. There's also a kernel of civility policing to it that I don't respect either. That's not the way we do things around here, so we can fuck with you and yours, but you can't fight back in this particular way or that? [loud laugh] Nah, fuck with my kids and I'm going for your throat. I would observe none of your rules, and I'm glad they're not either. Don't know much about the whole dad situation beyond he and Meghan being estranged. Plain they couldn't with the media, but her father they could ice out. Feels like you're insinuating her dad is entitled to more than that despite poor behavior? Thomas Markle sells story to the media about his daughter without her knowledge/permission. Result: relationship ended by Meg and Harry. Harry and Meghan sells story to the media about his family without their knowledge/permission. Result: TBD but Harry claims he wants a reconciliation. Inconsistent. Wade1865 and teej6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: Thomas Markle sells story to the media about his daughter without her knowledge/permission. Result: relationship ended by Meg and Harry. Oh. I was under the misunderstanding that Meghan and her father's relationship had effectively ended long before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just got caught up in the thread, heavens, it moved fast! I think the saddest thing I’ve realized is that after all the years and x numbers of lovers, nobody ever got off by sucking my toes. I don’t know if I’m envious of Camila or gagging on laughter. Do tell, folks, is it really that good? JGP, Wade1865, Tywin et al. and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 52 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: I've always thought that the problem with Meghan wasn't her ethnicity, but her Americanism. Forthright, direct, a 30s professional coming from a place/profession with very, very different norms than the royal family. Did some people snicker behind her back and think it was tacky he married an American actress? I'm sure, after all they made fun of Kate Middleton for years because her parents were middle class before they got rich. The best thing to happen to KM was Meghan arriving to make her look good. I don't think this should have been a thing when those people had had, say, half a brain. Meghan is an actress, so she can play roles. And in the end being a royal is little more than playing a role. All they would have needed for to play her part would have been to properly brief and train her. She should have quickly gotten better at that kind of thing than Philip or Charles ever were. You see how great a job Grace Kelly did. And in context it makes no sense at all that Harry would not really think about whether he wanted this woman to be his wife, would not make it clear to her what 'the firm' expected of both of them if they were living in the UK, etc. Apparently the entire problem boils down to personal animosities and an inability and unwillingness of the people involved to make it work. And a huge part of that would then involve behavior, attitude, etc. shown behind closed doors in private or semi-private contexts - which again puts the blame squarely at the people involved, not the system or different backgrounds. If you don't have the grace to help people from different backgrounds to (try to) fit in then you just suck. JGP and Jace, Extat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 It seems to me that Harry didn't do a very good job in explaining things to her. I would have thought if you married into a family reknowned for being traditionalist and hewing to all kinds of archaic rituals, you would not need to be told that meeting some members of said family wearing ripped jeans and no shoes was a bad idea. I would have thought that everyone knew once you became a royal you would 'lose your voice' and only be allowed to speak in banalities. But, if she didn't grasp this stuff, her husband clearly did her no favors by failing to give her the relevent information and guidance. Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I mean this stuff is hardly a secret, it’s a well known fact that it’s very difficult for outsiders to fit in and that being a royal basically means you basically have to adapt to the family, not the other way around. Just watch a couple of seasons of the crown if you are thinking about marrying into the royal family and you’ll get a rough idea! I think Meghan has admitted to being very naive as to the reality of it before going in, and that much is obvious. Wade1865 and Cas Stark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: It seems to me that Harry didn't do a very good job in explaining things to her. I would have thought if you married into a family reknowned for being traditionalist and hewing to all kinds of archaic rituals, you would not need to be told that meeting some members of said family wearing ripped jeans and no shoes was a bad idea. I would have thought that everyone knew once you became a royal you would 'lose your voice' and only be allowed to speak in banalities. But, if she didn't grasp this stuff, her husband clearly did her no favors by failing to give her the relevent information and guidance. She just brought it on herself, except where the fault was explicitly Harry's for not attending to her learning. [sigh] --- Maybe you got to be British to understand, but that might go some ways to explaining why the international community is largely on H&M's side. Perhaps having a monarchy their respective citizenry values at all can serve as a cultural anchor. Edited January 8 by JGP Jace, Extat, Cas Stark, Wade1865 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 This logic is exactly why I wouldn't want to marry into a family that thinks even remotely like that. Especially one that is so despicable. Again, the royals are not good people and exactly none of us should defend them, ever. Unless you enjoy being a sucker I guess. JGP, Jace, Extat, Winterfell is Burning and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: This logic is exactly why I wouldn't want to marry into a family that thinks even remotely like that. Especially one that is so despicable. Again, the royals are not good people and exactly none of us should defend them, ever. Unless you enjoy being a sucker I guess. (this is a joke) I am here, now, beginning a petition that in this anti-monarchical movement Ran give the people of the board access to a knife-sharpening emoji Alternatively, some kind of group with torch-and-pitchforks like a sinister version of: Edited January 8 by BBB Jacelyn Fragile Bird, JGP and Wade1865 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, BBB Jacelyn said: (this is a joke) I am here, now, beginning a petition that in this anti-monarchical movement Ran give the people of the board access to a knife-sharpening emoji Alternatively, some kind of group with torch-and-pitchforks like a sinister version of: /cdn-cgi/mirage/68f913271635d22c8dad2252a3fddc53c6bcd90f6f6e469ee4697d387ebe2066/1280/https://asoiaf.westeros.org/uploads/emoticons/default_grouphug.gif The monarchy should have died with Elizabeth—that was the best time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: The monarchy should have died with Elizabeth—that was the best time. When I was but a tass of a lass (I don't know what that means, in my youth) I knew a fella who liked to listen to the edge rock. Anyway, there was this one song he'd play in his car and like the chorus went all, like "It's not too late, it's neeeever too late!" I think the song was about suicide. It wasn't particularly good. Yknow, the whole genre. But at least that one song was conscious that good art is often about something (Also, just funzies, a verbal <mssgd> warning can often be more constructively effective than punitive responses in social settings where comedic boundaries may be... brushed... ) eta: just to be clear, the song was about like it's not too late to NOT do suicide. It was like, DON'T do that I know kids listen to fucked up shit these days. It wan't that Edited January 8 by BBB Jacelyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: The monarchy should have died with Elizabeth—that was the best time. The sequel to Elizabeth II: Werewolf Hunter is clearly The Royal Purge. Spockydog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorschach - 2 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 This thread has 13 pages? Something is very wrong in this world. Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 13 minutes ago, Rorschach - 2 said: This thread has 13 pages? Something is very wrong in this world. AND ITS ALL HER FAULT. Wade1865, JGP and Winterfell is Burning 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Rorschach - 2 said: This thread has 13 pages? Something is very wrong in this world. Said the descendent of murderous Vikings. 18 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: AND ITS ALL HER FAULT. To be fair, Harry helped her kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Edited January 8 by Tywin et al. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cas Stark said: It seems to me that Harry didn't do a very good job in explaining things to her. I would have thought if you married into a family reknowned for being traditionalist and hewing to all kinds of archaic rituals, you would not need to be told that meeting some members of said family wearing ripped jeans and no shoes was a bad idea. I would have thought that everyone knew once you became a royal you would 'lose your voice' and only be allowed to speak in banalities. But, if she didn't grasp this stuff, her husband clearly did her no favors by failing to give her the relevent information and guidance. Well, it is not just Harry who would do the explaining there - also all the other members of the royal family when she met them, not to mention whoever Meghan would have talked with in Harry's circle of friends, etc. You just cannot stumble into this family and not have an inclination what they are about that. That's just inconceivable. And to be sure - how informal it is or can be when they are all amongst themselves is up to them, really. However, not trying to make a good impression is a bad idea regardless whose parents or grandparents you are meeting for the first time. Although that cannot possibly be the reason why things didn't work out. Meghan could have been the greatest asset of this rotten family clan in the 21th century. She could have been another Diana or Margaret ... instead they fucked it up. Also - it really makes little sense to blame 'the system', i.e. all the sycophants and lickspittles the royals are surrounded by. It is easy to spin things so 'the court' is evil, but those people do control their underlings. The whole narrative 'The Crown' spun in the earlier seasons of Elizabeth being effectively at the mercy of her own private secretary and stuff is, quite frankly, ridiculous. If you cannot put your foot down you are managed by other people, of course. But you have to want that if you are the monarch. It is not something that 'happens'. In that sense - if 'the firm' doesn't support Harry's new wife, etc. then that's not because the courtiers are evil and stuff ... but because the people actually in charge do not really mind if the courtiers don't like the new girl. Edited January 9 by Lord Varys Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 50 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Said the descendent of murderous Vikings. To be fair, Harry helped her kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand. She’s the one who kept Hitler out of art school. Wade1865, JGP and Jace, Extat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 25 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: She’s the one who kept Hitler out of art school. She also created Skynet. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: She also created Skynet. Luckily all these false rumours will addressed in her upcoming slate of Netflix shows which will set the record straight: 2023. Meghan: How I cured cancer 2024. Meghan: World Peace my lasting gift to the world 2025: Blameless - An Autobiography 2026: The Queen of our Hearts 2027: Ghandi, Mother Theresa and Me. A history of modern day saints 2028: Meghan Markle: A series of Fabricated Events. Hopefully the Netflix contract holds out long enough that we get to see all of those riveting pieces of entertainment Edited January 8 by Heartofice SeanF, Wade1865 and Jace, Extat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: She also created Skynet. She was also the serpent in the garden. Jace, Extat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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