Harry and Meghan. - This is NOT the Andrew Tate Thread.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

I just get a kick out of how much people want to talk about H&M, and the royals in general, when from afar they mostly seem like boring people who just have a fuck ton of money. 

[Lord Varys]

3 minutes ago, DMC said:

Agreed - and at first it seemed as if that's what they WERE doing.  Which I was pleasantly surprised about.  But yeah, they couldn't even get this right, which just emphasizes how fundamentally inept and dysfunctional "the firm" is at doing their jobs.  PR isn't that hard - and neither is resolving intrafamilial sniping.  I really don't care either way, but this is clearly another one of their failures from a comms perspective.

I mean, I don't give a crap about them, but this failure is really extreme. Like you, I originally thought 'Well, that's an interesting surprise. After decades of ridiculous behavior they finally have learned to play the PR game right.' I mean, Monacco's Rainier saved himself and his 'state' by buying himself Grace Kelly. And she showed that this kind of thing could work.

And if it is actually the case that part of their quarrel goes back to Kate and William being jealous of Meghan's popularity then they are even worse off than one would have thought. That means they are complete assholes. Not to mention that this is eerily familiar to Charles apparently being jealous of Diana's popularity - which is also a very childish and immature thing to be. He would be the king one day, so why the fuck does it matter if his young and gorgeous woman gets her stint in the spotlight? She will get older and then she'll be another aging Princess Margaret. And whilst she shines everything she does rubs off on him and 'the firm'.

Implicit or explicit racism, on the other hand, is expected in those circles. I'm not pitying Meghan for that. She wanted to join this family, after all.

(If you come from an actual democratic republic the scariest thing you see in the UK is the actual presence of the trappings of (old and never overthrown) monarchy. The ever present 'Royal' in front of lots of things, the fact that there is an an actual 'Crown' as an institution, and that all of that actually matters to people.

But the worst thing for me was the presence of the royal family in book shops souvenir shops entire (!) shelves are dedicated to them. People make their living off writing about them (and I don't mean tabloid articles but actual monographies). That's both disgusting and scary.)

One can talk about having an elected monarch as head of state serving for life, say, but the notion that you have a family clan symbolically owning the country is a no go. A hereditary monarchy could, perhaps, work, I think, if only the monarch is doing a job while the rest of his or her family are just that - his/her family.

[Varysblackfyre321]

1 minute ago, Cas Stark said:

No, but their popularity can be judged and in parallel with that, the effectiveness of their media/PR strategies can also be judged. 

Sure as well as the effectiveness of their propaganda against them.

Just now, DMC said:

It's not.  And the fact you people can't realize it isn't just reveals how out of touch you are.

Seriously, they don't poll well in the UK?  Who gives a fuck.  You think the Kardashians poll well?  Hell, to use a political example, AOC polls very poorly nationally.  You think she gives a shit that have the country hates her?  You think it hurts her brand?  Her constituency loves her, and that's all that's all that matters.  Hell, same thing could be said for Trump.  

Using polling to judge the effectiveness of PR strategies just reveals how little you know about PR strategies.

they are worth tens of millions, likely to still live a life of luxury—though in contrast to the royal family they’d earn their money somewhat.

[SeanF]

9 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Do you think a person’s moral character can be adequately judged by public polling?

 

Not necessarily.  But when a claim is made that Harry and Meghan are popular, and William and Kate are not, the polling becomes relevant.

[Cas Stark]

3 minutes ago, DMC said:

It's not.  And the fact you people can't realize it isn't just reveals how out of touch you are.

Seriously, they don't poll well in the UK?  Who gives a fuck.  You think the Kardashians poll well?  Hell, to use a political example, AOC polls very poorly nationally.  You think she gives a shit that half the country hates her?  You think it hurts her brand?  Her constituency loves her, and that's all that's all that matters.  Hell, same thing could be said for Trump.  

Using polling to judge the effectiveness of PR strategies just reveals how little you know about PR strategies.

I don't think Harry wants to be seen as on par with the Kardashians, but he's certainly headed in that direction, minus the gigantic income stream.  I mean, okay, if you think telling the world that you and your wife believe you can talk to your dead mother is good branding, I won't argue.  I stand by my assessment.

 

[Werthead]

1 hour ago, SeanF said:

 William and Kate are far better regarded by the British public than are Harry and Meghan.  

I think that whilst they are better regarded, they are not as well-regarded as they were a few years ago, when there was widespread talk and even enthusiasm for Charles to refuse the crown and William to become a trendy(ish), young(ish) king with a reasonable chance of being monarch for the next 50 years. I think the constant stories about William being an arsehole to his brother and his wife, regardless of provocation (instead of taking a dignified silence as how the Queen rolled), did not do him any favours and the recent stories from multiple sources suggesting William's unfaithfulness and, er, specialist interests do seem to have gotten traction, albeit nowhere near as much as if we didn't have Andrew and Harry's soap opera dominating the news.

William's apparent defence of Andrew, and the entire Royal Family's tolerance for him, has really gone down like a lead balloon. If Harry really wanted to make some ground back, he could discuss that situation (although I suspect his lawyers have stringently argued against it).

[Varysblackfyre321]

Just now, SeanF said:

Not necessarily

The correct answer is no—MLK for instance died being extremely unpopular.

1 minute ago, SeanF said:

when a claim is made that Harry and Meghan are popular, and William and Kate are not, the polling becomes relevant.

Eh true—I figure they’d be due to people being indoctrinated to associate the monarchy with goodness 

[Zorral]

7 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

have a fuck ton of money

Which is peanuts compared to what even Willy's oldest boy has given to him.  Willy himself has a single estate in Wales which is worth a billion dollars.  His son has one too, because he's now second heir apparent.

What is really hilarious is how all the haters breathlessly watch everything this little family does, says, where it goes, who they talk with, whether the garbage the cesspits of the Brit tabloids and palace cook up every day, or the 3-part Netflix docu, and who will be the first to buy Spare.  

 

[Heartofice]

1 minute ago, DMC said:

It's not.  And the fact you people can't realize it isn't just reveals how out of touch you are.

Seriously, they don't poll well in the UK?  Who gives a fuck.  You think the Kardashians poll well?  Hell, to use a political example, AOC polls very poorly nationally.  You think she gives a shit that half the country hates her?  You think it hurts her brand?  Her constituency loves her, and that's all that's all that matters.  Hell, same thing could be said for Trump.  

Using polling to judge the effectiveness of PR strategies just reveals how little you know about PR strategies.

You keep saying this, but it’s plainly obvious that they DO care otherwise they would stop trying to change public perception of themselves. They have come out and said it themselves that getting the story straight is incredibly important to them, because they really do give a shit what people think, and that applies to people in the UK. It’s not even obvious they have won over people in the US, there have been some pretty negative commentary over there from some quarters,  as well that I’ve seen. 

As for your earlier point, I think you are hugely optimistic about their ability to earn enough money doing reality tv shows and the like. 
 

As much as I hate them, the Kardashians are genius level are creating buzz about themselves and their lives, something I just don’t think Primark Prince and Princess are. 
 

There are a million reality tv shows and I doubt there is the appetite to watch endless hours of highly vetted Meghan propaganda, because there just won’t be anything happening. Unless they get divorced or there is some scandal, they don’t have a story to tell. 
 

There is only so many ways they can try and trade in on their name and past and the money will dry up, you have to remember they have very high costs and expenses and it’s not like they are suddenly going to be ok living in a 2 bed apartment and getting the bus to work. 

[Varysblackfyre321]

10 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

As for your earlier point, I think you are hugely optimistic about their ability to earn enough money doing reality tv shows and the like. 
 

As much as I hate them, the Kardashians are genius level are creating buzz about themselves and their lives, something I just don’t think Primark Prince and Princess are. 

Eh possibly they may have to eventually settle just being multi-millionaires with very limited notoriety.

10 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

There are a million reality tv shows

Not a lot of them with former royalty.

 

10 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

doubt there is the appetite to watch endless hours of highly vetted Meghan propaganda,

Queen Elizabeth protected her pedo son from facing justice. So has Charles.

How angry are you at that in comparison to Megan holding some podcasts?

10 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

 

There is only so many ways they can try and trade in on their name and past and the money will dry up, you have to remember they have very high costs and expenses and it’s not like they are suddenly going to be ok living in a 2 bed apartment and getting the bus to wo

Possibly—at least they didn’t choose to be parasites like most of the royal family.

[DMC]

12 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I don't think Harry wants to be seen as on par with the Kardashians, but he's certainly headed in that direction, minus the gigantic income stream.

I mean, other than the extremely remote possibility Harry inherits the responsibility of being the ceremonial head of state, that's exactly what they are - and have always been and will be.  I don't really see any substantive difference between a woman that gained her fame through her father representing OJ and making a sex tape, and a member of a royal family whose mother tragically died.  Indeed, the genesis of the media and public's interest in both happened rather concurrently in the mid 90s.  At least from an American perspective.

[DMC]

12 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

You keep saying this, but it’s plainly obvious that they DO care otherwise they would stop trying to change public perception of themselves.

They are, quite obviously, trying to get attention.  And it is, quite obviously, working.  Your hatred for them helps them far more than my indifference.  The fact you don't understand this is your own problem, I really don't give a shit.  You do you jelly monster.

[Heartofice]

Just now, DMC said:

They are, quite obviously, trying to get attention.  And it is, quite obviously, working.  Your hatred for them helps them far more than my indifference.  The fact you don't understand this is your own problem, I really don't give a shit.  You do you jelly monster.

You don’t care.. but you keep posting in this thread about it. How curious. 

[DMC]

1 minute ago, Heartofice said:

You don’t care.. but you keep posting in this thread about it. How curious. 

Well, I enjoy pointing out how stupid your arguments are, sure.

[Cas Stark]

Just now, DMC said:

I mean, other than the extremely remote possibility Harry inherits the responsibility of being the ceremonial head of state, that's exactly what they are - and have always been and will be.  I don't really see any substantive difference between a woman that gained her fame through her father representing OJ and making a sex tape, and a member of a royal family whose mother tragically died.  Indeed, the genesis of the media and public's interest in both happened rather concurrently in the mid 90s.  At least from an American perspective.

Yes, they're celebrities. Harry's account of the dog bowl fight is getting close to Jerry Springer levels of cringe. I don't think that is the image they want, their 'strategy' is to basically try to recreate the royal family aura in the US, which is why they present themselves SO very seriously at all times.   Let's face it, they are simply not rich enough to be philanthropists, you need Gates/Zuckerberg level money for that and they aren't even close.  "Archewell" is more media stratgegy than a real humanitarian endeavor.  I guess time will tell whether they can sustain enough public interest to keep the dollars rolling in.  

[Zorral]

25 minutes ago, Werthead said:

about William being an arsehole to his brother and his wife, regardless of provocation (instead of taking a dignified silence as how the Queen rolled), did not do him any favours and the recent stories from multiple sources suggesting William's unfaithfulness and, er, specialist interests do seem to have gotten traction,

Ha!  Shows how much attention I pay -- never heard of this stuff until this minute.  Ha!

Why does it matter to you guys/ilks that this little family looks for attention?  Most of the world, including yourselves, beg for attention every day too.

What I can't figure out is why anybody with no skin in the family game keeps breathlessly expressing hatred for this woman unless they hate women and hate people who they regard as not white.  I mean, admit it guys, Meghan isn't Ghislaine Maxwell.  Do you guys really wish thatyou too could have a handmaid like JE enabling a perverted sexually abusive lifestyle?

[DMC]

1 minute ago, Cas Stark said:

"Archewell" is more media stratgegy than a real humanitarian endeavor.  I guess time will tell whether they can sustain enough public interest to keep the dollars rolling in. 

Again, I agree the sustainability of this remains to be seen.  But the initial success is already patently obviously more profitable than being a remote member of the royal family.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

23 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

As much as I hate them, the Kardashians are genius level are creating buzz about themselves and their lives, something I just don’t think Primark Prince and Princess are. 

There are a million reality tv shows and I doubt there is the appetite to watch endless hours of highly vetted Meghan propaganda, because there just won’t be anything happening. Unless they get divorced or there is some scandal, they don’t have a story to tell. 

Huh? Like them or hate them, H&M are amazing at getting attention, and they're actually more interesting than the Kardashians, who are completely empty people. Lamar Odom is like the only one of them that has an interesting story to tell.

Who knows if it will be sustainable for them, but they're clearly cashing in massively and there's no reason to believe that will stop anytime soon.

[Cas Stark]

1 minute ago, DMC said:

Again, I agree the sustainability of this remains to be seen.  But the initial success is already patently obviously more profitable than being a remote member of the royal family.

Well, yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing they haven't made tens of million via their various deals, having quadrupled or more the money Harry inherited from Diana.  It does seems like they have a pretty high burn rate with the security, the staff, the house, the private planes, etc. 

[Cas Stark]

2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Huh? Like them or hate them, H&M are amazing at getting attention, and they're actually more interesting than the Kardashians, who are completely empty people. Lamar Odom is like the only one of them that has an interesting story to tell.

Who knows if it will be sustainable for them, but they're clearly cashing in massively and there's no reason to believe that will stop anytime soon.

The reason to believe it might not be sustainable is that the only thing they have to 'sell' that the public is buying is their connection/feud with the royal family.  I'm not sure they can make a long term career out of their very short time as working royals.  Maybe, maybe not.