Daena the Defiant Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 8:10 AM, SeanF said: Terms like "madness" and "insanity" are bandied around far too readily. There is nothing to suggest that Catelyn suffers from schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, or major clinical depression. However, Catelyn does get increasingly depressed as her life goes from bad to disastrous. Her husband and (as far as she knows) two sons, and a daughter, have all been murdered. Sansa is a prisoner, and then Robb is murdered in front of her. She finally snaps. At the point that she kills Jinglebell, she is almost certainly insane in the legal sense. But, it's not because mental illness runs in her family. Her psychosis is triggered as a result of all the horrible things that get done to those that she loves. Don't forget that was after her beloved father died and her home wad burned to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 The Tully sisters definitely have the genes for going mad. Most people during those violent feudal times experience hardships and tragedy. Most do not go mad. The Tully sisters did go mad. Catelyn passed this gene down to Arya. Darth Sidious, Skahaz mo Kandaq and James West 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said: Most people during those violent feudal times experience hardships and tragedy. Few people will have their husband and three sons die in close succession, and lose their daughters all in the same few months. Few people will see their son butchered before their eyes after already losing their husband. 6 minutes ago, Moiraine Sedai said: The Tully sisters definitely have the genes for going mad. That is simply. Incorrect. You have no authority to say this at all. Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Few people will have their husband and three sons die in close succession, and lose their daughters all in the same few months. Few people will see their son butchered before their eyes after already losing their husband. That is simply. Incorrect. You have no authority to say this at all. I'd be more wary of someone who didn't snap after losing their entire family. Especially after watching it happen, how does one regain composure and think clearly immediately after? And it's different for a parent. My parents would lose their sh*t too. Craving Peaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: I'd be more wary of someone who didn't snap after losing their entire family. Especially after watching it happen, how does one regain composure and think clearly immediately after? And it's different for a parent. My parents would lose their sh*t too. What do these people expect, that Catelyn will just think 'oh well' when (from her point of view) her last son and one of the last members of her family dies? Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 1:56 PM, Victor Newman said: Lysa was definitely mentally and emotionally unstable. Cat's kids have as good of a chance as a Targaryen of going insane. True. They do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 6:36 PM, Shierak Qiya said: That Lysa is nuts is evident. Her son is underdeveloped emotionally, socially, and intellectually too. There could be an issue with little Lord Robert as well. Catelyn's sanity left her during her last moments as a living person. So yes, there are causes for concern and the presence of a gene which predisposes the Tullys to going nuts is worthy of concern that should not be ignored. Definitely cannot be ignored. It's not proof but the evidence of madness in the Tully line is there. It is surely more than enough cause for concern for any Tully or Stark fan because it means Catelyn's children inherited it. The Lord of the Crossing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Hoster may have been stupid, but that doesn't make him insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skahaz mo Kandaq Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 11:47 AM, Moiraine Sedai said: The Tully sisters definitely have the genes for going mad. Most people during those violent feudal times experience hardships and tragedy. Most do not go mad. The Tully sisters did go mad. Catelyn passed this gene down to Arya. It's hereditary. The Tully girls inherited it from their ancestors and passed it on to their children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkTullies Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 These claims of "heredity family madness" in regard to families other than Targaryens seem to be 100% made by Daenerys Targaryen fans, and... what???? I don't think Dany is going to go mad, but if "family madness" is the claim DanyFanatics are making to slander the Stark children... what?????? The "maddest" character in this story is Mad King Aerys Targaryen. Not only is he Dany's father, but she is an incest baby conceived when that raving lunatic raped his own sister. Lysa Tully is the Stark children's aunt, not their mother. Nor was their mother and father both Tullys. Nor are the Tullys famously known for madness. There is only one family in this story known for madness, and that same family inbreeds to ensure that their genetic deficiencies perpetuate through their "pure bloodlines". kissdbyfire, Alester Florent, wiedzma and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/15/2023 at 9:08 PM, Adelstein said: I don't think that reacting irrationally to seeing your son murdered in front of you can be considered a sign of hereditary madness. To the extent that killing Jinglebell even was irrational. Taking him hostage was entirely rational. Killing him was just following through - albeit unnecessarily - on that initial decision. Cat went madder than Aerys in her minutes. Aerys was driven to madness by his experiences in Duskendale. Look if Aerys can go mad because of stress so can the Tullys. It means both have the weakness in their families. Arya and the other Stark kids have this gene. The trauma of witnessing Ned's head dropping in the bucket drove Arya to insanity. Darth Sidious and The Lord of the Crossing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alester Florent Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rondo said: Cat went madder than Aerys in her minutes. Aerys was driven to madness by his experiences in Duskendale. Look if Aerys can go mad because of stress so can the Tullys. It means both have the weakness in their families. Arya and the other Stark kids have this gene. The trauma of witnessing Ned's head dropping in the bucket drove Arya to insanity. Aerys was mad before Duskendale. Duskendale just lifted the last veneer of sanity. Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Something relevant and new brought to the table for discussion. I do like it. The Commentator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor_the_Cool Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said: Something relevant and new brought to the table for discussion. I do like it. Relevant? It’s crack at best. Raven Princling and Craving Peaches 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosetta Stone Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 6:36 PM, Shierak Qiya said: That Lysa is nuts is evident. Her son is underdeveloped emotionally, socially, and intellectually too. There could be an issue with little Lord Robert as well. Catelyn's sanity left her during her last moments as a living person. So yes, there are causes for concern and the presence of a gene which predisposes the Tullys to going nuts is worthy of concern that should not be ignored. It cannot be ignored and it should part of the factors to consider when evaluating the chances of Cat's children losing their minds. I believe it has already happened to Arya. Sansa has a smooth temper and good emotional control. Being dumb doesn't mean she will go crazy. I don't think Sansa will. If another Stark besides Arya is to go batshit, it will be Bran. Though I would not be surprised if it is only Arya who is crazy. The Commentator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 3:16 PM, King Qhored I Hoare said: Relevant? It’s crack at best. It is very relevant and a topic which deserves discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 8:40 PM, Rosetta Stone said: It cannot be ignored and it should part of the factors to consider when evaluating the chances of Cat's children losing their minds. I believe it has already happened to Arya. Sansa has a smooth temper and good emotional control. Being dumb doesn't mean she will go crazy. I don't think Sansa will. If another Stark besides Arya is to go batshit, it will be Bran. Though I would not be surprised if it is only Arya who is crazy. Tully madness is now on the table for discussion when talking about the sanity of Catelyn's kids. Darth Sidious, Kierria, Moiraine Sedai and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Commentator said: Tully madness is now on the table for discussion when talking about the sanity of Catelyn's kids. No it’s not, just because you want to push a narrative doesn’t make it true or at all reasonable Raven Princling, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 and Craving Peaches 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) That Lysa Tully was mentally unstable I will give you. She had a lot of unfortunate events occur which could explain it, mostly related to unsuccessful pregnancy. Catelyn was perfectly fine up until Bran's fall. Since then, it's been one calamity after another. I'm not surprised she had mental issues. There seems to be no indication of mental issues elsewhere with the Tullys. Hoster, Brynden, and Edmure give every indication of being well-balanced individuals, nor have I read anything about Minisa Whent, Catelyn's mother, that would cause concern. The only family with a history of madness is the Targaryens, probably connected to their inbreeding. The Tullys are no worse than any other family. This thread is 100% bullshit. Edited January 30, 2023 by Nevets Craving Peaches, wiedzma and kissdbyfire 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 16 hours ago, The Commentator said: Tully madness is now on the table for discussion when talking about the sanity of Catelyn's kids. More clues pointing to a possible future for this generation of Starks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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