Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: The Wall will fall and it will be because of Jon Snow’s inability to stay out of the Stark’s quarrel with the Boltons. Jon had no right to get the Watch involved in that fight. His loyalty belongs to the Watch, not his old Stark family. The Wall will fall because of Marsh and his ilk created chaos in the ranks of the NW by murdering their Lord Commander. Depending on his backing, he’ll either be captured and executed right away, or a civil war at the Wall will break out in which him and his traitorous brew will be slaughtered. Leading to a weakened Nights Watch, that will either be slaughtered by Ramsay if the letter is legit, or be slaughtered by the Others when they come through. Bowen Marsh and his followers doomed the Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrettcz Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: The Wall will fall because of Marsh and his ilk created chaos in the ranks of the NW by murdering their Lord Commander. Depending on his backing, he’ll either be captured and executed right away, or a civil war at the Wall will break out in which him and his traitorous brew will be slaughtered. Leading to a weakened Nights Watch, that will either be slaughtered by Ramsay if the letter is legit, or be slaughtered by the Others when they come through. Bowen Marsh and his followers doomed the Watch. Absolutely. They chose to mutiny. That isn't Jon's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, Garrettcz said: Absolutely. They chose to mutiny. That isn't Jon's fault. It's Jon's fault for being born and not accepting his place as a bastard. He was insecure and jealous. Jon is not a man who has good control of his emotions. We see it when he betrays the Watch to rescue Arya. Jon is the worst lord commander the Watch has ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: The Wall will fall and it will be because of Jon Snow’s inability to stay out of the Stark’s quarrel with the Boltons. Jon had no right to get the Watch involved in that fight. His loyalty belongs to the Watch, not his old Stark family. Nevermind LOL I was gonna correct you but pretty sure you are a bot anyway. You always say inflammatory, down right false things but never comment when someone calls you out on your nonsense so I guess it's pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: It's Jon's fault for being born and not accepting his place as a bastard. He was insecure and jealous. Jon is not a man who has good control of his emotions. We see it when he betrays the Watch to rescue Arya. Jon is the worst lord commander the Watch has ever seen. He's a drunk as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, LongRider said: He's a drunk as well. I hear he deals fentanyl to children as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: I hear he deals fentanyl to children as well Don't forget it was Jon who convinced Ned to let his children keep the Direwolves. Jon brought dangerous animals into their home. Just look at what happened to poor Prince Joffrey. And now Nymeria is running amok in the Riverlands. Those wolves are nothing but trouble. And it's all Jon's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Jon deserves all the shit he gets because…………..he sent Dolorous Edd away! So very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 6:50 AM, The Lord of the Crossing said: The Starks fell and they fell hard. They lost both parents, their lands, their castle, and their reputation. The Starks deserved their fall. Here are some of the reasons: The Starks have never understood the pillars of power. Ned should have negotiated with Lord Tywin instead of sending an inadequate force to arrest the mountain and name Tywin a criminal. Robb and Jon also do not have an understanding of power. Robb betrayed his allies. Jon was inept at communication and he used his command position to enact revenge on a powerful member of the night's watch. The Starks are unsophisticated. In the north, they have always ruled by the threat of force. In the south, they could not do that. They had to depend on making alliances with politicians like Petyr Baelish and Lord Varys. It seems to me, Ned considered this an inconvenience. But that is politics. The Starks are blunt, unsophisticated, and do not have the skills to navigate politics. They lacked in the social skills. Robb Stark chose to take the main forces of the north and march them south in rebellion. Keep in mind, this is the second time the Starks have pulled the north into rebellion. Both instances over a family matter. If the Starks were so loved they would not have had to threaten GreatJon. Roose and Barbrey went along because they had no choice. Lord Walder had to be negotiated before they would support the Starks. The one man who went willingly was Karstark, and look how the Starks rewarded him. The Starks put family first. Catelyn's behavior reflects this. She kidnaps Tyrion without proof. She knew what the Lannisters were like. She knew the consequences to the lives of many and she did it anyway. All of that bother for one little boy. She wanted justice for Bran and caused thousands of her own people at the Riverlands to lose their villages, lives, and crops when Tywin retaliated. Jon Snow betrayed the Night's Watch, for one little girl! He chose to endanger the only thing standing between the realm and the White Walkers just for the sake of one little sister. Arya is on a murdering streak to kill everybody who has stood against her family. She is killing innocents like the insurance man and Dareon on the side to achieve her goals. Catelyn betrays the men supporting their rebellion when she released their main bargaining chip, Jaime Lannister, for the sake of getting back her daughter. There are many more reason why the Starks deserved to fall. I am counting on you to build the list. Thanks 5. The Starks were bad at statecraft. They ruled through force back home. Brute force on its own was not enough when they had to deal with other powerful people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Roswell said: 5. The Starks were bad at statecraft. They ruled through force back home. Brute force on its own was not enough when they had to deal with other powerful people. No they didn’t you are literally pulling that out of your ass. The whole of the North respected them save Roose and Babary. And if that counts as force Thani got some news for you, every other house rules with 10X the force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 16 hours ago, Roswell said: 5. The Starks were bad at statecraft. They ruled through force back home. Brute force on its own was not enough when they had to deal with other powerful people. That is a literal lie. There are some who ruled by brute force, Ned wasn't one of them. Did you miss the part where the whole North was rallied to save him? Or where they talked about how respected he was? Or how he would bring a different person to dinner every night to sit & talk to them & get to know them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Eh, the more you feed the trolls, the more they come looking for a meal. Sad to say as it's kind of the death of the forum when it descends to this childish baiting but there's no point in trying to use logic when people just want to get a rise. On 2/4/2023 at 8:15 PM, LongRider said: Jon deserves all the shit he gets because…………..he sent Dolorous Edd away! So very wrong. He defo should not have. But Edd got a castle (ok a ruin) with a bevy of spear wives to give him foot rubs and feed him grapes so I'm sure he's coping as best he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 36 minutes ago, the trees have eyes said: He defo should not have. But Edd got a castle (ok a ruin) with a bevy of spear wives to give him foot rubs and feed him grapes so I'm sure he's coping as best he can Yes, perhaps he has his own spearwife working under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/3/2023 at 1:17 PM, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: The Wall will fall because of Marsh and his ilk created chaos in the ranks of the NW by murdering their Lord Commander. Depending on his backing, he’ll either be captured and executed right away, or a civil war at the Wall will break out in which him and his traitorous brew will be slaughtered. Leading to a weakened Nights Watch, that will either be slaughtered by Ramsay if the letter is legit, or be slaughtered by the Others when they come through. Bowen Marsh and his followers doomed the Watch. Jon doomed the Watch because he started a fight with Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Darth Sidious said: Jon doomed the Watch because he started a fight with Ramsay. One might say Mormont came close to destroying The Watch with the disaster of The Fist and that Jon rebuilt it with aid from Stannis and The Wildlings. The Watch would have been just fine if Bowen had let Jon head off with nothing but Wildlings. But he started a mutiny and things are in the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna<3Rhaegar Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 16 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: Jon doomed the Watch because he started a fight with Ramsay. How did he start the fight with Ramsay? I distinctly remember Ramsay starting a fight with Jon & the whole of the NW's so would be super interested in the quotes you have to back up the nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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