Spare a Moment for H&M, Part 3

[Heartofice]

2 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Once again, tell me you haven't read it without telling me you haven't read it. 

Here's an example of how it was reported at the time, though there are various versions of the story:

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/queen-biting-words-meghan-095607607.html

The way Harry tells it:

• His Aunts offered the Spencer family tiara for the wedding. The same one Diana wore
• The plan was to go with this and Meghan's veil was being designed to suit
• Later, they get a call from the Queen, offering to loan Meghan a tiara from her own collection. They agree. Harry doesn't speculate that the offer was made to prevent the Spencer tiara from appearing, as has been suggested by some.
• Palace; the Queens own dressing room; Meghan is presented  with five tiaras, each more beautiful than the last, blah, blah. She tries one on that everyone agrees is perfect. The Queen says She'll put it in the safe until they're ready to retrieve it, she suggests that Meghan should practice wearing it because tiaras can be tricky. The whole affair is very cordial and pleasant and Harry is very happy with how Meghan and Granny are getting on. Angela Kelly is present while this is happening.
• After a time, he contacts the palace to retrieve the tiara. Kelly tells him the protocol for taking it. He thinks it's a bit much but he agrees. She tells him it can't be done because she's "too busy". Harry is justifiably confused by this, given that she was in the room when the Queen consented to loan it. (In her defense, she may have actually been busy, but her priorities are kind of messed up) This resistance goes on for a time and causes some inconvenience vis a vis the wedding gown fabrication. 
• He is eventually able to get the tiara and he and Angela Kelly have some words. Angela wants to unload on him and his response is, "Now? Really?"

And that's it. No "biting words", no mention of Russian diamonds, no, "What Megan want's Meghan Gets!!!" and definitely no Harry getting high handed with the Queen. 

Anyone who believes that Prince Harry, the Queen's grandson and military veteran, would ever raise his voice to Grandma, Queen of United Kingdom, commander in chief of the British armed forces, is a fucking idiot. but that's the way these jackals reported it. It's not like he hasn't been part of this family for 35 years. 

And does anyone seriously think he'd say, "Fuck protocol, just give me the tiara!! Oh yeah, this irreplaceable $3 million dollar piece of jewelry; just toss it in the boot and I'll be on my way."

It sounds trivial, but this was one of many stories that fed into the early narrative of Meghan being "uppity". While this is going on, Samantha Markle is already making appearances as "Princess Pushy's sister".

Jesus fucking christ I know too much about these people. 

#BelieveAllMeghans

[Cas Stark]

9 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

[snipped]

And does anyone seriously think he'd say, "Fuck protocol, just give me the tiara!! Oh yeah, this irreplaceable $3 million dollar piece of jewelry; just toss it in the boot and I'll be on my way."

It sounds trivial, but this was one of many stories that fed into the early narrative of Meghan being "uppity". While this is going on, Samantha Markle is already making appearances as "Princess Pushy's sister".

Jesus fucking christ I know too much about these people. 

Yes, based on his own words and actions I absolutely believe he would say 'fuck protocol' he's been raging against protocol his entire life.  He has had minders and cleaners handling his BS his entire life, fixing things for him, enabling him, etc.   He has also shown himself to be a petty, jealous, disloyal person and despite what you want to think, I am sure his actions of the last years were very, very hurtful to his grandparents. 

Harry being a jerk to Angela Kelly is not any kind of story about Meghan being 'uppity', that is pure spin to inject race into a story where it has no legitimate bearing on things.   That spin is only there to paint anyone who doesn't buy into H&M's version of things as a 'hater' and a racist.

ETA...worth noting that it looks to me like Harry did a very poor job of helping Meghan adjust, putting her in bad situations, like failure to follow protocol over the tiara, hosting Will and Kate for the first time shoeless in ripped jeans.  These are pitfalls that Harry easily could have ensured Meghan avoided. He didn't.  He likes breaking protocol and shocking his family, he gets off on it.  

Edited February 18 by Cas Stark

[DanteGabriel]

6 hours ago, Heartofice said:

#BelieveAllMeghans

Tell me you don't have a good response without telling me you have a good response.

 

1 hour ago, Cas Stark said:

Yes, based on his own words and actions I absolutely believe he would say 'fuck protocol' he's been raging against protocol his entire life.  He has had minders and cleaners handling his BS his entire life, fixing things for him, enabling him, etc.   He has also shown himself to be a petty, jealous, disloyal person and despite what you want to think, I am sure his actions of the last years were very, very hurtful to his grandparents. 

(snipping the rest for space)

Your unhinged and highly detailed rants about every mortal sin committed by Harry say a lot more about you than about him.

[Cas Stark]

Millions of people are interested in the British Royal Family.  This is why the tabloids cover them, why there is an entire sub group of 'royal experts' who comment on the RF for a living, why dozens of books have been written about various members of the famly and why Harry's book is the fastest selling autobiography in history.  I'm certainly not alone. 

But thanks for the negative, highly personal comment just the same.

[Varysblackfyre321]

7 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

Millions of people are interested in the British Royal Family.  This is why the tabloids cover them, why there is an entire sub group of 'royal experts' who comment on the RF for a living, why dozens of books have been written about various members of the famly and why Harry's book is the fastest selling autobiography in history.  I'm certainly not alone. 

But thanks for the negative, highly personal comment just the same.

This is a motte and Bailey.

You’re attempting to frame the criticism against you as being due to something more innocuous—having an interest in the royal family—when the criticism is more substantive—unhinged rants about by every mortal sin real or perceived about Harry especially when they seem so minor.

Edited February 19 by Varysblackfyre321

[DanteGabriel]

23 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

This is a motte and Bailey.

You’re attempting to frame the criticism against you as being due to something more innocuous—having an interest in the royal family—when the criticism is more substantive—unhinged rants about by every mortal sin real or perceived about Harry especially when they seem so minor.

This is kind of a pattern. Rebuttals with only the flimsiest connection the other person's argument, with some irrelevant crap thrown in (I still remember my befuddlement when I said the civil rights movement of the 60s was more violent than people realize and that MLK was very unpopular at the time, and then I got some lecture about how Cas's mother didn't. Fit. In. My. Box). And then the victim routine.

[Cas Stark]

1 hour ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

This is a motte and Bailey.

You’re attempting to frame the criticism against you as being due to something more innocuous—having an interest in the royal family—when the criticism is more substantive—unhinged rants about by every mortal sin real or perceived about Harry especially when they seem so minor.

You must have a very expansive view of what an 'unhinged rant' is, but whatever.  Enjoy.

[Varysblackfyre321]

11 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

You must have a very expansive view of what an 'unhinged rant' is, but whatever.  Enjoy.

Can you concede criticism(rightly or wrongly)  of you doing unhinged rants about Harry’s sins isn’t automatically equivalent to criticism of you just having an interest in the RF?

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

On 2/18/2023 at 7:13 AM, Cas Stark said:

Yes, based on his own words and actions I absolutely believe he would say 'fuck protocol' he's been raging against protocol his entire life.  He has had minders and cleaners handling his BS his entire life, fixing things for him, enabling him, etc.   He has also shown himself to be a petty, jealous, disloyal person and despite what you want to think, I am sure his actions of the last years were very, very hurtful to his grandparents. 

Based on his own words, he was perfectly fine with "protocol". He literally says so in the book.

On 2/18/2023 at 7:13 AM, Cas Stark said:

Harry being a jerk to Angela Kelly is not any kind of story about Meghan being 'uppity', that is pure spin to inject race into a story where it has no legitimate bearing on things.   That spin is only there to paint anyone who doesn't buy into H&M's version of things as a 'hater' and a racist.

"uppity" and "social climber" have both been terms that have been used to describe Meghan int the English press.

On 2/18/2023 at 7:13 AM, Cas Stark said:

ETA...worth noting that it looks to me like Harry did a very poor job of helping Meghan adjust, putting her in bad situations, like failure to follow protocol over the tiara, hosting Will and Kate for the first time shoeless in ripped jeans.  These are pitfalls that Harry easily could have ensured Meghan avoided. He didn't.  He likes breaking protocol and shocking his family, he gets off on it.  

Fuck his family. You're talking about this stuff like it actually matters. And, I'll say again, protocol was not a problem regarding the tiara.

It also rebuts the claim that his book confirms the "official" version of events. 

[DireWolfSpirit]

I realize the UK has a different legal system than the U.S. but im amazed Charles could evict Harry from a cottage tbat was gifted to him by Elizabeth?

At a minimum he should have standing to recoup his costly renovations.

It smells like thievery from afar (on the Royals part).

Edited March 2 by DireWolfSpirit

[polishgenius]

He hadn't been gifted it, just allowed to lease it, so there's nothing really unusual there. 

 

In purely practical terms I don't really care, they can afford a nice house wherever, but it is pretty stupid that Charlie is kicking out his son to let the nonce stay there. Like ffs. 


But we shouldn't forget that poor, helpless Charles who has never behaved badly to his children has no choice but to punish his underhand aggressive sneak of a son.

[DireWolfSpirit]

9 hours ago, polishgenius said:

He hadn't been gifted it, just allowed to lease it, so there's nothing really unusual there

Its just that its been repeatedely publicized as having been "gifted" to Harry and Meghan from Queen Elizabeth, when apparently it was far from a gift.

"Here remodel this and then, get out!"

Its a pretty crappy look and to add insult to injury its to accomodate the resident royal pedo Andrew?  (Absurdity)

 

[Madame deVenoge]

2 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Its just that its been repeatedely publicized as having been "gifted" to Harry and Meghan from Queen Elizabeth, when apparently it was far from a gift.

"Here remodel this and then, get out!"

Its a pretty crappy look and to add insult to injury its to accomodate the resident royal pedo Andrew?  (Absurdity)

 

On the other hand, this is a total slam to Andrew who had previously been living with Fergie in another Crown Estate property that was FAR more luxurious, apparently.

Frogmore Cottage is apparently a steep decline from whatever hunting lodge he was in. Yet, Fergie and the Queen’s corgis stay 

[Cas Stark]

2 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

On the other hand, this is a total slam to Andrew who had previously been living with Fergie in another Crown Estate property that was FAR more luxurious, apparently.

Frogmore Cottage is apparently a steep decline from whatever hunting lodge he was in. Yet, Fergie and the Queen’s corgis stay 

Yeah, this is the 'royal lodge' wherre he lives now.  Thirty bedrooms.  Nice work if you can get it.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/royal-interiors--314900198915937262/

Worth noting that H and M only had to pay for the renovations because they quit as working royals.  The costs had been paid for by the soverign grant, but when they left the UK they were asked to repay the funds since they would  no longer be living there or doing any royal work.  

All of the grace and favor lodgings are at the pleasure of the monarch, though it seems like Liz tried to protect Andrew by giving him a 99 year lease several years ago.

[Heartofice]

4 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

Its just that its been repeatedely publicized as having been "gifted" to Harry and Meghan from Queen Elizabeth, when apparently it was far from a gift.

"Here remodel this and then, get out!"

Its a pretty crappy look and to add insult to injury its to accomodate the resident royal pedo Andrew?  (Absurdity)

 

Haha, serves them right. Nice one Charlie.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

On 3/2/2023 at 12:55 PM, DireWolfSpirit said:

I realize the UK has a different legal system than the U.S. but im amazed Charles could evict Harry from a cottage tbat was gifted to him by Elizabeth?

At a minimum he should have standing to recoup his costly renovations.

It smells like thievery from afar (on the Royals part).

Not gifted exactly. QE2 offered it to them as their permanent residence in the UK, but it's still property of the crown. The place had apparently been subdivided into staff living quarters at one point but had sat empty for a number of years. That's why the renovation was so expensive. Empty real estate doesn't age well. Plus the place is 200 years old.

They probably would have been better off tearing the thing down and building new. It's a historical building though.

After they left they reimbursed the crown for the renovations and had been paying a lease on the place. And yeah, they should get some of the renovation moneys back now that they're out and Andrew is in. Otherwise "moving out" should involve pulling all the fixtures, basins, appliances, and very millimeter of copper wire out of the place. Tony Soprano style. 

What's interesting is the amount of press coverage this has gotten. Like, there's a lot of it. Much of it praising King Charles for the "savage burn" or whatever. There's also a tendency among some news outlets to post pictures of Frogmore House (a mansion), and not Frogmore Cottage in their stories. A weird mistake since they've probably photographed the place hundreds of times over the years. 

The Mail online just ran a story about Tyler Perry visiting them in California. The accompanying photo is literally of a single black suburban turning into a driveway. You can't even see who the driver is. This is beyond parody. 

[SeanF]

On 3/3/2023 at 9:03 PM, Cas Stark said:

Yeah, this is the 'royal lodge' wherre he lives now.  Thirty bedrooms.  Nice work if you can get it.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/royal-interiors--314900198915937262/

Worth noting that H and M only had to pay for the renovations because they quit as working royals.  The costs had been paid for by the soverign grant, but when they left the UK they were asked to repay the funds since they would  no longer be living there or doing any royal work.  

All of the grace and favor lodgings are at the pleasure of the monarch, though it seems like Liz tried to protect Andrew by giving him a 99 year lease several years ago.

Personally, I’d rather see Andrew inhabit a federal Supermax.

But, I mostly share your views on Harry and Meghan.

[Loge]

From what I read, Charles plans to cut Andrew's "annual grant" and he won't be able to pay for the upkeep of the Royal Lodge without it. So Charles offered him Frogmore Cottage, as that's cheaper to maintain.

[Fragile Bird]

A story crossed my phone on Google saying Charles has, in fact, invited Harry and Meghan to the coronation.

[Heartofice]

So when Chris Rock isn't giving Will Smith a metaphorical slap in his new comedy special he also had time to lay into SMeghan Markle.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/chris-rock-brilliantly-rips-into-will-smith-and-meghan-markle/

"The comic nimbly eviscerated Prince Harry’s wife’s never-ending outrage over the British royals’ alleged racist tendencies.

“It’s the royal family!,” he said. “You didn’t Google these motherf—ers? What the f–k is she talking about ‘she didn’t know’?!” 

He went on: “That’s like marrying into the Budweiser family and going, ‘They drink a lot.’”

And as for allegations about a particular member of the royal family inquiring about what Markle’s first baby, Archie, would look like: “That’s not racist,” Rock insisted. “Because even black people wanna know how brown the baby is gonna be!” "