Craving Peaches Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Wiki link for those interested: Heraldry - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) Given how large Westeros is, I am surprised that no disputes over who has what coat of arms have ensued. In England, for example, there have been cases of knights using the same Coat of Arms and having to get it all sorted out via the High Court of Chivalry. From: Scrope v Grosvenor - Wikipedia Quote ...the case resulted from two different knights in King Richard II's service, Richard Scrope, 1st Baron Scrope of Bolton and Sir Robert Grosvenor, discovering they were using the same undifferenced coat of arms, blazoned "Azure, a bend Or". This had previously gone unnoticed because the armigers' families were from different parts of England. As the law of arms by the 14th century prohibited armigers within the same system of arms from holding the same undifferenced arms, Scrope brought suit against Grosvenor in 1386 to determine who would be allowed to continue using the arms in question; the Court of Chivalry found in Scrope's favour in 1389, and King Richard affirmed the decision the following year. Now admittedly, noble families in Westeros have been around for hundreds of years. But it would also be less likely you would be exposed to all these Coats of Arms because of the vast distances you may need to cover to see them all, as it is unlikely every single one would be represented at a tourney. The English dispute above happened because the families were on different sides of the country, in Westeros this problem should be even more pronounced. Now it could be that Westeros has no law on houses not being allowed the same Coat of Arms but I find that unlikely. Also, when you consider this: Quote By the 12th and 13th centuries, the composition of coats of arms consisted of only one charge and two tinctures. However, this simplicity meant there were often times when unrelated families ended up bearing the same designs. Most of the Westerosi sigils are fairly simple, being an animal on a field, or an ordinary on a field. Westeros also does not follow the heraldic rules of tincture, that is, you can have colours on colours and metals on metals. Now, the main feature of a CoA was to distinguish gentlemen on the battlefield. With this in mind, some of the sigil choices are very poor because they would be near impossible to replicate for uniforms and hard to make out on the battlefield. This is a list of sigils I find not fit for purpose: House Lynderly - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) (complex to sew, would not be visible from a distance) House Turnberry - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) (complex to sew, red and green clash horribly, would not be visible from a distance, strawberries don't look good placed over the fur) House Grimm - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) (far too complex to render, colours don't stand out, would not be visible at at a distance) House Wydman - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) (too many small charges at the top, would be hard to render, would not be visible at a distance) House Lonmouth - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) (too many small charges, too complex to render, would not be visible at a distance) There are others I don't think are great, but these are the worst offenders in my view. By way of comparison, these are my favourites: House Baratheon - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) House Corbray - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) House Donniger - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) House Fell - A Wiki of Ice and Fire (westeros.org) Esteemed members of this forum, I would like to invite you to share your views on this topic. How do you find the state of heraldry in Westeros? Which sigils do you like, which sigils do you dislike, and why? If you could have a sigil, what would it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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