Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Had been plotting against Aerys. Had he won the Battle on the Trident, what would’ve happened? No matter what I think Robert needed to die, unfortunately there was no going back at that point. I think the best Rhaegar could’ve given Robert was a glorious death that minstrels could sing about for generations. I think Rhaegar would’ve 100% spared Ned if he survived the battle, as well as every other rebel lord. He would’ve then had to march on Kings Landing which is where I think the trouble begins. What does Tywin do? Does he join Rhaegar’s host or stay at Casterly Rock? Varys will probably advise Aerys against letting Rhaegar in, and would probably hold Elia and her children hostage. and then if all went off without a hitch and Rhaegar got into the city and the Red Keep could he take his father alive, if so, what does he do with him? Imprison him for the rest of his life? Or does he allow justice to be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I don't think a coup against Aerys was really possible after Rhaegar sided with him against the rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Craving Peaches said: I don't think a coup against Aerys was really possible after Rhaegar sided with him against the rebels. I don't know. coups can happen in the most unstable conditions. especially if one controls the armies. if Rhaegar could bring Arryns , Starks and Tullies to his cause, he already had Dorne and much of Crownlands . and Tyrells would have probably preferred joining him . so, he could just go in the throne room and escort his father to his chambers , where he'd be confined. Rhaegar's real problem was that his wife and children were hostages in Kingslanding and Lyanna was with loyal-till-the-bitter-end White Bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: I think Rhaegar would’ve 100% spared Ned if he survived the battle, as well as every other rebel lord. He would’ve then had to march on Kings Landing which is where I think the trouble begins. I always find it funny how Rhaegar has to kill Robert but would 100% pardon both Ned and Jon Arryn, who viewed Robert as a brother and a son respectively and had supported him on everything till then and were actively planning on deposing House Targaryen and acting as Kingmakers. Because as we all know, the problem was Robert, not the other Great Lords who propped him up, how easy for Rhaegar isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 5 hours ago, EggBlue said: I don't know. coups can happen in the most unstable conditions. especially if one controls the armies. if Rhaegar could bring Arryns , Starks and Tullies to his cause, he already had Dorne and much of Crownlands . and Tyrells would have probably preferred joining him . so, he could just go in the throne room and escort his father to his chambers , where he'd be confined. Rhaegar's real problem was that his wife and children were hostages in Kingslanding and Lyanna was with loyal-till-the-bitter-end White Bull. Gerold Hightower is a strange case; he's instructed to bring Rhaegar back from Dorne but for unknown reasons Rhaegar and Hightower trade places with Rhaegar going back to lead the royal army while Hightower stays in Dorne with Lyanna, who already had two Kingsguard with her. Keep in mind that Kingsguard, particularly the Lord Commander, are typically counted on as a commander at the very least, Hightower himself had taken command of the Westerosi army after Ormund Baratheon was killed in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: Had been plotting against Aerys. Had he won the Battle on the Trident, what would’ve happened? No matter what I think Robert needed to die, unfortunately there was no going back at that point. I think the best Rhaegar could’ve given Robert was a glorious death that minstrels could sing about for generations. I think Rhaegar would’ve 100% spared Ned if he survived the battle, as well as every other rebel lord. He would’ve then had to march on Kings Landing which is where I think the trouble begins. What does Tywin do? Does he join Rhaegar’s host or stay at Casterly Rock? Varys will probably advise Aerys against letting Rhaegar in, and would probably hold Elia and her children hostage. and then if all went off without a hitch and Rhaegar got into the city and the Red Keep could he take his father alive, if so, what does he do with him? Imprison him for the rest of his life? Or does he allow justice to be done? There's a lot that Rhaegar needs to answer for before any of these major houses would even consider doing his dirty work for him. Asking Ned to march on King's Landing is a ballsy move, after losing his sister, his father, and brother. I believe he set himself up for failure with his own actions, as he insulted multiple major houses in front of hundreds of witnesses. The Martells are backed into a corner by Aerys, of course, since he holds Elia and her children. Regardless, they now hold contempt for both Aerys and Rhaegar. He would have to convince Ned that he's really not a bad guy, because he has the kingdom's best interest at heart. All that stuff with Lyanna? Oops.. He's so quirky. If Rhaegar could convince Jon Arryn to join him in his coup, then Jon could probably convince Ned. At this point, Ned is married to Catelyn Tully, so the Tullys are now tied to House Stark. And Lysa is married to Jon Arryn. Whether that would influence Hoster's decision, idk. I imagine it probably would, otherwise, what's the point in strengthening the bond to these houses through marriage? At the end of the day, even if they successfully dethroned Aerys, Rhaegar now has to deal with five major houses who hold no love for him. The Martells, Starks, Arryns, Tullys, and Baratheons. Edit: the more I think about it, the more it cracks me up. Rhaegar successfully pissed off 5 of the most major houses in Westeros and yet still expected to both win the war against Robert's Rebellion and dethrone Aerys right after. My boy is an overachiever at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Robert could be sent to the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Given grmms world is always dark id say it goes like this The defeat at the trident forces the rebels back , 'late' lord frey now sides with the loyalists and lord tywin seeing what way the wind was blowing (possibly getting word through his frey sister) does too. The frey -westerlands army suprise and smash the beaten demoralised reteating rebels killing many like ned and possibly hoster (tywin may make sure the giant semi unstoppable teenage ser gregor seeks the old tully out on the battlefield!) Stannis and all in the siege starve to death and the reach forces move north to mop up any resistance. Lyanna dies in childbirth in rhaegars arms (whos fled south as soon as the battle ends to see her) and when he comes back to KL his paranoid dad finaly has him and his newborn son burnt alive. Renly lord of the stormlands is sent to casterly rock as ward , viserys is set to marry cersei when hes of age and dany to a tryell. House frey now rules the riverlands and to secure it young cat and edmure are married to freys/or suitable martells. Balon greyjoys rebellion is the ironborns last as a vicious tywin as hand and an aging crazed king aerys scour the ir9n islands clean. The north falls under the karstarks as next in line after their now extinct bloodkin, in the vale if jon arryn lives he honours his pact to the dead hoster and marries lysa but minus duties as hand notices her cuckolding much sooner...lf is murdered with lysa and a bitter jon arryn names harry his heir In the north the others rise with non to oppose them...westeros is doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: Gerold Hightower is a strange case; he's instructed to bring Rhaegar back from Dorne but for unknown reasons Rhaegar and Hightower trade places with Rhaegar going back to lead the royal army while Hightower stays in Dorne with Lyanna, who already had two Kingsguard with her. Keep in mind that Kingsguard, particularly the Lord Commander, are typically counted on as a commander at the very least, Hightower himself had taken command of the Westerosi army after Ormund Baratheon was killed in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. yeah... very strange . make me think he must have had direct orders from the king. what orders? i don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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