Darth Sidious Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 8:28 AM, Craving Peaches said: Bowen's Support group is busy attacking Jon Snow again. It's unfortunate because Jon was only trying to defend humanity when he was stabbed. It wasn't personal, Marsh was just a bigot and an idiot. Defend humanity! That’s not what Snowhead was doing. Jon was readying his unlawfully-formed army for a raid on the Boltons. Mind you, it was Jon who started the feud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Darth Sidious said: Defend humanity! That’s not what Snowhead was doing. Jon was readying his unlawfully-formed army for a raid on the Boltons. Mind you, it was Jon who started the feud. The Stark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural... Like reading comprehension. Because if you read the text you would see that defending humanity was Jon's primary goal the entire time, and the only reason he was readying a force was because Ramsay was preparing to attack the Watch and Jon wasn't going to let everyone who actually cared about the Others be slaughtered. kissdbyfire, SeanF, Many-Faced Votary and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, Darth Sidious said: Defend humanity! That’s not what Snowhead was doing. Jon was readying his unlawfully-formed army for a raid on the Boltons. Mind you, it was Jon who started the feud. Yes, he did start it all when he sent a letter threatening to cut out Ramsay's heart and eating it he was born. But that only happened that way in whatever bad fanfic you've been reading and basing your "theories" on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkTullies Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, Darth Sidious said: Defend humanity! That’s not what Snowhead was doing. Jon was readying his unlawfully-formed army for a raid on the Boltons. The Boltons are enemies to humanity. They ultra-villains, just like Sauron, Voldemort, Darth Sidious, etc. Fighting against the Boltons would benefit all of Westeros except for the Boltons, Freys, and Lannisters themselves, but that isn't what Jon was planning. He was defending the Watch against Ramsay's planned attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Darth Sidious said: Defend humanity! That’s not what Snowhead was doing. Jon was readying his unlawfully-formed army for a raid on the Boltons. Mind you, it was Jon who started the feud. Tell it true. Do you actually approve of rape, forcible bestiality, murder, torture, flaying, all of the things that the Boltons enjoy doing? Do you wish that you could be Roose or Ramsay? Because that’s the only conclusion I can come to about people who constantly denigrate Jon for opposing the Boltons. kissdbyfire, Many-Faced Votary and Craving Peaches 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 22 hours ago, SeanF said: Tell it true. Do you actually approve of rape, forcible bestiality, murder, torture, flaying, all of the things that the Boltons enjoy doing? Do you wish that you could be Roose or Ramsay? Because that’s the only conclusion I can come to about people who constantly denigrate Jon for opposing the Boltons. Jon has known about Ramsay's depravities for some time now and has done ... nothing. Even the mission to rescue FArya was sent only after she had apparently escaped. The only reason he is taking on Ramsay now is because Ramsay has threatened the Watch and him personally. If Jon decides to send patrols out to intercept or ambush Ramsay, great idea! But that's not what he said. He said he is riding to Winterfell to confront Ramsay - with a wildling army no less. And if there is anyone the Northerners hate and fear more than Boltons and Freys, it's wildlings. I don't know what Jon really had in mind, but I hope what he said wasn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 2/22/2023 at 5:11 PM, James West said: If ever a murder can be considered a heroic act, it is Bowen Marsh and his men stabbing Jon Snow. This won't prevent all of the bad things happening due to Jon's actions but it will avoid the Night's Watch from becoming an enemy of the Boltons. It is not about honor. It keeps the Night's Watch from becoming the law-breaker and limits the guilt to just Jon Snow. All of the guilt is on top of Jon's narrow shoulders. The Watch has cleaned house and Jon is gone. Bowen should send a letter to Roose with an explanation. It was Jon, not the other officers of the Watch, who sent Mance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Darth Sidious said: The Watch has cleaned house and Jon is gone. Bowen should send a letter to Roose with an explanation. It was Jon, not the other officers of the Watch, who sent Mance. The Free Folk sworn to Jon might have something to say about the "cleaned house," as will those in the Night's Watch who don't take kindly to mutiny. kissdbyfire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: Bowen should send a letter to Roose with an explanation. It was Jon, not the other officers of the Watch, who sent Mance. Yeah, because Ramsay is such a reasonable guy. I'm sure he'll listen to his equally reasonable father and understand that it was all evil Jonno's fault and leave them all alone even though they still haven't handed over any of the hostages he demanded. He's well known for his tolerance and level-headedness, that Ramsay Bolton. kissdbyfire and Many-Faced Votary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 @Many-Faced Votary The black brothers won't have a problem with Jon's removal. The reason nobody tried to stop Bowen and his gang is because the brothers present in the Shield Hall heard Jon's admission of improper conduct. Jon really pushed their tolerance when he told them he was going to lead an attack on the Boltons. Rondo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, Roswell said: @Many-Faced Votary The black brothers won't have a problem with Jon's removal. The reason nobody tried to stop Bowen and his gang is because the brothers present in the Shield Hall heard Jon's admission of improper conduct. Jon really pushed their tolerance when he told them he was going to lead an attack on the Boltons. Way to prove again - and again and again and again - that you either have the worst level or reading comprehension or the best level of mind-numbingly dumb trolling. Well done! Craving Peaches and Many-Faced Votary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Roswell said: @Many-Faced Votary The black brothers won't have a problem with Jon's removal. The reason nobody tried to stop Bowen and his gang is because the brothers present in the Shield Hall heard Jon's admission of improper conduct. Jon really pushed their tolerance when he told them he was going to lead an attack on the Boltons. You're probably not going to enjoy The Winds of Winter very much. Try not to burn your copy when Bowen Marsh is immediately killed for being an insane, bigoted, treacherous moron; books should be treated with respect. Craving Peaches, kissdbyfire and Raven Princling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 50 minutes ago, Roswell said: The black brothers will have a problem with Jon's removal. There you go. Save you the bother of actually reading the books. Many-Faced Votary and kissdbyfire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 6:40 AM, Craving Peaches said: The Stark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural... Like reading comprehension. Because if you read the text you would see that defending humanity was Jon's primary goal the entire time, and the only reason he was readying a force was because Ramsay was preparing to attack the Watch and Jon wasn't going to let everyone who actually cared about the Others be slaughtered. And who provoked Ramsay? Lord Commander Jon Snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Darth Sidious said: And who provoked Ramsay? Lord Commander Jon Snow. Oh Old Gods, how in seven hells did he do that for Red Rahloo's sake? Many-Faced Votary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: And who provoked Ramsay? Lord Commander Jon Snow. No he did not. Jon was extra careful not to do anything directly that would provoke Ramsay. It was Mance, if anyone, who provoked him. And it is not as though Ramsay needs provoking anyway. Edited March 4, 2023 by Craving Peaches Many-Faced Votary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Bowen Marsh killed his commander because that commander just announced his plan to lead the wildlings to attack Ramsay. It is the only reason. Bowen was not plotting a management change. He was preventing his commander from escalating the disagreements with the Boltons. Corvo the Crow and Craving Peaches 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Rondo said: Bowen Marsh killed his commander because that commander just announced his plan to lead the wildlings to attack Ramsay. It is the only reason. Bowen was not plotting a management change. He was preventing his commander from escalating the disagreements with the Boltons. Perhaps he should've killed Ramsay then, as he was the one causing all the problem. kissdbyfire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Rondo said: He was preventing his commander from escalating the disagreements with the Boltons. Disagreement had already escalated as Ramsay was coming to kill them all because they didn't have the hostages. Bowen killing Jon doesn't magically make the hostages appear so Ramsay is still going to attack only this time the Watch won't have a good leader (unless Jon recovers/is revived really quickly) and will be in disarray. Great job Bowen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 On 3/6/2023 at 10:30 AM, Craving Peaches said: Disagreement had already escalated as Ramsay was coming to kill them all because they didn't have the hostages. Bowen killing Jon doesn't magically make the hostages appear so Ramsay is still going to attack only this time the Watch won't have a good leader (unless Jon recovers/is revived really quickly) and will be in disarray. Great job Bowen. Jon's agents successfully took "Arya" out of Winterfell. That is what made Ramsay angry. The covert operation that got "Arya" out was inappropriate for men of the Night's Watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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