Curled Finger Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 What I find most interesting in these conversations is the utter hopelessness of all the participants' decisions. Outcomes are so limited as it seems are their options. While I am dubious regarding certain loyalties to power beyond the Nightwatch such as Stannis (Jon) or the Lannisters (Marsh), Jon and Marsh's loyalty to the Watch are without doubt in my estimation. What I am unsure about is the punishment if any Jon actually deserved for announcing his intentions to divide NW forces between a rescue mission at Hardhome and riding for Winterfell. Ned gets a lot of flack for announcing his intentions to Cersei. Jon gets a lot of flack for not sharing his plans. Doesn't seem to be any real middle ground here. In my reading of Jon's interactions with Marsh, Bowen is never satisfied. He seems to bitch about everything without ever listening or probing. Jon of course, offers little beyond "this is how it is, like it or lump it." While Jon's heart is very much about diplomacy, his words leave much to be desired. Conversely, Bowen does not like any of this interaction with the Wildlings even a little bit. He is a numbers guy, winter is coming and there are too many mouths to feed. He doesn't know about the deals Jon has made. This whole alliance with the Wildlings is simply too weird for him. Jon should understand that by now and recognized the threat in all the older Black Brothers. Had Jon taken into his confidence regarding loans and plans would Marsh have behaved differently? Ultimately what I see between the old guard and new guard is definition of the Nightswatch. I find it ironic that the younger group, including the Wildlings, operates far closer to the original mission of the NW than the older establishment ever dreamed. While this ancient outpost has been left to its own devices for millennia, time has caught up to it and called it to order once again. The Nightswatch's purpose is resurrected and like any powerful spirit will impose its will on its people or tools. In that light things don't look good for Marsh and his bad of merry buzz killers. Not good at all. But I do think that what magic there is in The Wall and the Nightswatch and the north and Stark blood will be with Jon. Seems he is the right forward thinking guy for the job. SeanF, Many-Faced Votary, LongRider and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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