kissdbyfire Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, Many-Faced Votary said: I agree! I was referring more to the big-picture politics that he didn't bother to explain ("Stannis fights for the realm; the Ironborn for plunder"), and to the breaks in tradition that have a huge impact in the internal politics of the Watch (Satin being the Lord Commander's squire, for millennia a position for highborn boys being groomed for command). Both were obviously good things, but he did not provide the full justification, and in the former case it made him look corrupt from the outside. Yeah… but for instance, irt Satin he did provide a reasonable explanation and yet Marsh’s bigotry wouldn’t allow him to see the truth and logic of what Jon was saying. And they got to a crunch time moment w/ everything that was happening… When do you give up on trying to convince someone like Marsh that they’re just wrong? I would have given up way way sooner than Jon did tbh. Another thing is, Jon heard Marsh & others conspiring to do Tywin fucking Lannister’s bidding back in ASoS, so really, how many more times should Jon have tried to make them understand? Of course this question will be answered differently by different people, but as I’ve said, I would have given up a lot sooner than Jon did. Many-Faced Votary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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