Craving Peaches Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 As pointed out by my dear friend, @Prince Rhaegar Targareyen: Quote His whole character is lashing out with massive violence because he felt slighted. And it all stems from his relationship with his father. Tywin has daddy issues. Tywin saw his father as weak and not embodying proper masculine virtues. He blamed his father for the state his House was in, and while this is true, Tywin arguably over-compensates in the other direction. It is not enough for his House to be respected, they have to be feared. He goes over the top all the time, like when he wiped out all the Reynes and Tarbecks including the innocents, when he sanctioned the incredibly brutal murders of Elia, Aegon and Rhaenys, and so on. He had such a problem with how people acted with his father that he mistrusted the sound of laughter and almost never smiled. Of course, this over-the-top compensation for where he found his father lacking, as anyone who has read about psychoanalysis will know, could stem from two things: Oedipus Complex Tywin feels insecure about his small pee-pee I am not denying the possibility Tywin could have a small pee-pee but I think the former option may be more likely because of Tywin's relationship to his mother and his relationship with his cousin Joanna. That's right, Tywin married his cousin because she was like his mother. Just look at how he treats this poor woman: Quote "This is not . . . when Lord Tywin's father died he returned to Casterly Rock to find a . . . a woman of this sort . . . bedecked in his lady mother's jewels, wearing one of her gowns. He stripped them off her, and all else as well. For a fortnight she was paraded naked through the streets of Lannisport, to confess to every man she met that she was a thief and a harlot. That was how Lord Tywin Lannister dealt with whores. He never . . . this woman was here for some other purpose, not for . . ." And Joanna was the only person who could make him laugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Someone in this forum had a great theory that Tywin is secretly a very submissive man in the bedroom. Hopefully they read this and repeat their argument because I can’t recall all the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Floki of the Ironborn said: Someone in this forum had a great theory that Tywin is secretly a very submissive man in the bedroom. Hopefully they read this and repeat their argument because I can’t recall all the details. Its bore out by every single politican ever Its virtualy a golden rule of politics...the more someone drones on about family values, how christian they are , how old fashioned they are then the more you just know they are deviants.!!! The anti lbgt ones are caught with gay lovers/escorts , the anti abortion or anti drug ones are always massive hypocrites , the devoted family politican always has a string of misstresses and whores . Tywin spoke often about tyrion not publicly whoreing and maybe the half man missed a sly wee wink here and there to say ' do whatever ya want in private though like i do sport' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, Floki of the Ironborn said: Someone in this forum had a great theory that Tywin is secretly a very submissive man in the bedroom. Hopefully they read this and repeat their argument because I can’t recall all the details. Are you suggesting Tywin got pegged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: Are you suggesting Tywin got pegged? I mean, it wasn’t my theory (I suspect it was Lord Varys but I can’t be sure) but yes, that’s the gist of it. I think one bit of evidence is the fact that Shae, a lowly prostitute whom Tywin seems to despise, is found in Tywin’s bed wearing the Hand of the King’s golden chain of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Tywin having enormous daddy issues is definitely something that Martin couldn't be more clear and obvious about and also something that flies over the heads over the majority of asoiaf fandom. Now, connecting it to his mother and Joanna is definitely stretching it, especially considering that Tywin marrying for love is also one of the biggest myths in the asoiaf fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dofs said: Now, connecting it to his mother and Joanna is definitely stretching it But that's the whole point of psychoanalysis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 @Craving Peaches would you agree that all of Tywin's children also have daddy issues, especially Tyrion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, LongRider said: @Craving Peaches would you agree that all of Tywin's children also have daddy issues, especially Tyrion? Oh yes. Most definitely. We can do a thread on Tyrion next if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Tywin also hated to think others looked down on him, so Cersei being refused by Aryes (is that right?) to be betrothed to Rhaegar really bothered him and contributed to his insistence that she marry Robert. His treatment of Tysha shows a revolting contempt not just for small folk, but for women as well. Really, a bad apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: But that's the whole point of psychoanalysis... Well, it needs some basis and one of your arguments is based on the idea that Tywin decided to marry his cousin for whatever reason, while not only it has never been stated anywhere that it was Tywin's decision, one Martin's interview heavily implies that it actually wasn't. "Tywin marrying for love" is a commonly held myth. I don't think that there enough of other arguments to come to your conclusion but you do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, LongRider said: Tywin also hated to think others looked down on him, so Cersei being refused by Aryes (is that right?) to be betrothed to Rhaegar really bothered him and contributed to his insistence that she marry Robert. His treatment of Tysha shows a revolting contempt not just for small folk, but for women as well. Really, a bad apple. Smallfolk includes women though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dofs said: "Tywin marrying for love" is a commonly held myth. I don't think he married purely because of love. But according to psychoanalytic theory he may be attracted to Joanna because she reminds him of his mother. This isn't my opinion, it's just what some people have said. I just thought it would be a fun way to look at Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: I don't think he married purely because of love. But according to psychoanalytic theory he may be attracted to Joanna because she reminds him of his mother. This isn't my opinion, it's just what some people have said. I just thought it would be a fun way to look at Tywin. What I am talking about is that Tywin didn't decide himself to marry Joanna at all and that it was just another arranged marriage by his superiors like all the others. Hence it is unfair to put any motives onto Tywin with regards to why he married Joanna. That said, he became attracted to her in the end indeed, so I guess there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just now, Dofs said: What I am talking about is that Tywin didn't decide himself to marry Joanna at all and that it was just another arranged marriage by his superiors like all the others. I would like to see the interview where this is suggested, if you would mind sharing a link. I haven't heard this before and I'm quite interested. I never thought the marriage was based purely on love but I did get the impression Tywin had more of a say in it. 2 minutes ago, Dofs said: That said, he became attracted to her in the end indeed, so I guess there is that. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say in the OP. According to some theories he might be attracted to her because she is like his mother. It's not meant to be super serious, just a fun(ny) way to have a different look at Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Joana was the only person he showed his vulnerabilities to. He was the authoritarian lord to everybody else. He's one of those lords who believe in the philosophy of a quiet land, a quiet people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 This is very far from my area of expertise but having had a professional relationship w/ a raging narcissist I’d say Tywin is one as well. But the main thing about Tywin for me is that he is dead dead dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: This is very far from my area of expertise I'm no expert either. I just thought it would be funny. Thought I have read five of Freud's books. Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: I'm no expert either. I just thought it would be funny. Thought I have read five of Freud's books. Does that count? It sure does, I’ve never even held one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: I would like to see the interview where this is suggested, if you would mind sharing a link. I haven't heard this before and I'm quite interested. I never thought the marriage was based purely on love but I did get the impression Tywin had more of a say in it. Yeah, it's here, at the every end: https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Asshai.com_Interview_in_Barcelona "Maybe it was Lord Tytos' idea, or maybe even Tywin's grandfather's idea, it depends on which was the exact time in which the marriage alliance was brokered, but I would have to check my notes because I can't remember." 25 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: Yeah, that's what I was trying to say in the OP. According to some theories he might be attracted to her because she is like his mother. It's not meant to be super serious, just a fun(ny) way to have a different look at Tywin. Fair enough, I am really more on a "Tywin didn't decide who to marry" crusade anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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