BlackLightning Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, the trees have eyes said: (should any have survived The Dreadfort and Ramasy's "pursuits"). They did survive. I don't think any of the men survived but the last Theon chapter has Ramsay give orders to take the women and children captive. The appendices say that the survivors (Old Nan and Beth Cassel included) have been imprisoned and effectively enslaved at the Dreadfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/10/2023 at 6:15 PM, sifth said: Why did the Iron Born, follow this guy again? Yeah, why wasn't Euron chosen as king from the get go? Is it because of seniority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Yeah, why wasn't Euron chosen as king from the get go? Is it because of seniority? Yes hes the eldest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Yeah, why wasn't Euron chosen as king from the get go? Is it because of seniority? Yes, due to him being the oldest of Quellon's surviving sons, since the sons born of Quellon's first marriage all died, two thanks to Euron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 4 hours ago, the trees have eyes said: She's smart and written sympathetically but I question whether we really know her or how far she'll go for The Seastone Chair. She's engaged in the Greyjoy version of the game of thrones right in front of us. She does appear to recognise that reaving in Westeros is a dead end for the Ironborn - probably literally - but I'm not sure she is going to turn swords into ploughshares. We've been in her head long enough to derive conclusions about that, I believe. How she treats the Glovers was a microcosm of her beliefs and what her actions would look like, even in the context of invasion and conquest. Her "pinecones" speech was heartfelt and a genuine declaration about the futility of reaving, or of trying to recapture that lifestyle even watered down. Theon is certainly one of the best testaments to Mr. Martin's writing skill. We cannot and should not forget what he has done, but we cannot and should not forget what he has been through. At which point does punishment become "enough?" It is meant to rehabilitate, is it not? He makes decisions based on empathetic connections now; he could not not care about Jeyne, as the reader could not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 9 hours ago, BlackLightning said: They did survive. I don't think any of the men survived but the last Theon chapter has Ramsay give orders to take the women and children captive. The appendices say that the survivors (Old Nan and Beth Cassel included) have been imprisoned and effectively enslaved at the Dreadfort. Yes, at the end of ASOS and then what? The only reason Ramsay kept the female survivors alive was for his "sport". Maybe he needed some new boots or just fancied a bit of recreational rape, flaying and murder (the order's inter-changeable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 12:43 AM, the trees have eyes said: Yes, at the end of ASOS and then what? The only reason Ramsay kept the female survivors alive was for his "sport". Maybe he needed some new boots or just fancied a bit of recreational rape, flaying and murder (the order's inter-changeable). Agree, knowing Ramsay the chances of survival of the people of Winterfell are extremely slim, and if there are survivors they must be in a horrible traumatized state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 6:05 AM, Many-Faced Votary said: Poor Asha, the only Greyjoy who isn't insane, is always underrated. I find her quite clever. I find her as dumb as her father. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Arthur Peres said: I find her as dumb as her father. lol I wouldn't go that far, at least she has some common sense and is learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said: I wouldn't go that far, at least she has some common sense and is learning. She may be learning, but she lacks common sense just as much as her father. Her kingsmoot plan, is probably the worst of all that was presented, and Victarion's idea was to keep fighting a losing war... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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