Many-Faced Votary Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: That doesn’t stop people from shopping Daemon and Rhaenyra Unfortunately, that is canonical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Many-Faced Votary said: Unfortunately, that is canonical. Thats far from the worst Many-Faced Votary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Many-Faced Votary said: Unfortunately, that is canonical. But to keep it within the context of the book, as the show hasn’t added any context of its own. I don’t see any evidence of the relationship, nor of the fact that either of them are gay/bisexual in the text. There is undeniable proof Cregan was interested in women however. I think their bond was built over the shared experience of losing their younger brothers. Morte, EggBlue and Many-Faced Votary 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said: But to keep it within the context of the book, as the show hasn’t added any context of its own. I don’t see any evidence of the relationship, nor of the fact that either of them are gay/bisexual in the text. There is undeniable proof Cregan was interested in women however. I think their bond was built over the shared experience of losing their younger brothers. Spot-on, especially regarding the sad history on which they bonded. Now, to be fair, that could involve a romantic element, but there is no evidence to support it, and the burden of proof is always on the person reading romance in a relationship where it isn't explicit. All we can say is that they befriended one another over their experience, which is very logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Just now, Many-Faced Votary said: Spot-on, especially regarding the sad history on which they bonded. Now, to be fair, that could involve a romantic element, but there is no evidence to support it, and the burden of proof is always on the person reading romance in a relationship where it isn't explicit. All we can say is that they befriended one another over their experience, which is very logical. Personally, I think in the context of the world we currently live in, it would distract fans from the narrative of the whole story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many-Faced Votary Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Regardless of whether or not it distracts from the narrative, people do often go overboard with "shipping" characters, and at its worst it can detract from the narrative. We already have more than enough people shipping Aemond with the nephew who gouged out his eye and whom he literally murdered. Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, Many-Faced Votary said: Regardless of whether or not it distracts from the narrative, people do often go overboard with "shipping" characters, and at its worst it can detract from the narrative. We already have more than enough people shipping Aemond with the nephew who gouged out his eye and whom he literally murdered. /cdn-cgi/mirage/6dc3d3eb1a38505cabd90fb7ffd43995f14702a0df4cf40d6136ae67a48e140e/1280/https://asoiaf.westeros.org/uploads/emoticons/default_dunno.gif And with his sister Many-Faced Votary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 16 hours ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: Lol it's ok, I understand. There's a reason I'm terrified to bring up Jonsa anywhere and everywhere. I get why people don't like it, and I don't believe it will be canon. It's the over the top reactions just from the mere mention of it that gets on my nerves. Jon/Arya don't get as much flack. Jonsa is a huge trigger for a lot of people /cdn-cgi/mirage/d061fbc8a99b74d9127f1b0a19a8d29641ec2a7e3541937299ee1540bc7d0bf1/1280/https://asoiaf.westeros.org/uploads/emoticons/default_rofl2.gif The problem is that some Jonsas are pretty odd. They view Dany as the mean girl who steals their love interest, and has to be murdered in the cause of true romance. Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 9 hours ago, Many-Faced Votary said: I'm assuming the main series proper. For established relationships that we've seen? Ned and Cat for certain. The level of love and mutual respect between them is indubitable, and it is clear that they cherish one another. The relationship particularly stands out in a heavily misogynistic society, and especially an arranged marriage where one of them was a "replacement." Life goals here (for our alloromantic friends /cdn-cgi/mirage/d061fbc8a99b74d9127f1b0a19a8d29641ec2a7e3541937299ee1540bc7d0bf1/1280/https://asoiaf.westeros.org/uploads/emoticons/default_lol.gif). For future relationships, or overall? Jon and Dany *. I think people truly do not realize how unique this relationship would be, nor how feasible it truly is, nor how iconic it will be. Everything, from the fact that they parallel so much that they are essentially the same person with similar but still distinct stories, to the fact that they are both undeniably the main heroes and neither would be secondary to the other (helped by the fact that they have been on different continents and have yet to meet), to the literary foreshadowing of this relationship, to how well they suit each other, to the fact that their union is one of the meanings of the series name, is refreshing in the best possible way. This is genuinely one of the things to which I am most looking forward. * I don't want to hear anything about the abomination and its complete failure of this relationship or the characters. The turd in the punch bowl is the Abomination. I do fear that the endgame is Jon proving his love and devotion for Dany by running her through the heart, at Tyrion’s behest. Edited February 14 by SeanF Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I like to ship Rickon Stark with Wylla Manderly, or Lyanna Mormont. He needs someone even more headstrong and stubborn than himself to tame him. Admirable Privy and Curled Finger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 15 hours ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: I've never seen anyone seriously ship Sansa/Ramsay, so that's not a ship I had in mind. Regardless, I don't think Jon/Sansa is most hated ship, sorry if that was confusing. Unfortunately I have seen people seriously shipping Sansa with Ramsay, Stannis, Baelish, Tywin, Arya, and Sweetrobin. EggBlue, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9, Many-Faced Votary and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 12 minutes ago, SeanF said: Unfortunately I have seen people seriously shipping Sansa with Ramsay, Stannis, Baelish, Tywin, Arya, and Sweetrobin. To a less extreme degree, there are also those who ship her with the Hound, Tyrion or Jon. None of whom work or aren't creepy, each for obvious reasons. EggBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, SeanF said: The problem is that some Jonsas are pretty odd. They view Dany as the mean girl who steals their love interest, and has to be murdered in the cause of true romance. Some Jonsas. Just like some Joneryses, some Jonryas, some SanSans, etc. Every ship has its crackheads, and there's a lot of vehement hatred in the Dany/Arya/Sansa circle on Tumblr specifically, which is why I chose to come here. The theories I see on here are sometimes out of left field but users tend to be more civil hehe I know a lot of the Jonsa fandom comes off as strong and harsh, but I have to be honest, I really enjoy reading their meta-theories. Anyhow, I understand the Jonsa fans are a whole other issue. I'm talking about the reactions I see to the ship itself, fandom aside. Like on reddit or maybe quora. Twitter and youtube as well. Sansa is a pretty unpopular character and people who don't like her don't want to see her with someone like Jon, who is usually a fan favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 15 minutes ago, SeanF said: Unfortunately I have seen people seriously shipping Sansa with Ramsay, Stannis, Baelish, Tywin, Arya, and Sweetrobin. I believe it lol. If I ever see any of those ships I'll scroll past so fast LongRider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: I believe it lol. If I ever see any of those ships I'll scroll past so fast /cdn-cgi/mirage/d061fbc8a99b74d9127f1b0a19a8d29641ec2a7e3541937299ee1540bc7d0bf1/1280/https://asoiaf.westeros.org/uploads/emoticons/default_rofl2.gif Sansa is both very beautiful, and something of a blank slate, so she’s seen as a prize for more favoured characters. And I remember one LOTR fic where Sansa finds herself in Middle Earth and gets shipped with the Goblin King. Edited February 14 by SeanF frenin, LongRider, Morte and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: Some Jonsas. Just like some Joneryses, some Jonryas, some SanSans, etc. Every ship has its crackheads, and there's a lot of vehement hatred in the Dany/Arya/Sansa circle on Tumblr specifically, which is why I chose to come here. The theories I see on here are sometimes out of left field but users tend to be more civil hehe /cdn-cgi/mirage/d061fbc8a99b74d9127f1b0a19a8d29641ec2a7e3541937299ee1540bc7d0bf1/1280/https://asoiaf.westeros.org/uploads/emoticons/default_grouphug.gif I know a lot of the Jonsa fandom comes off as strong and harsh, but I have to be honest, I really enjoy reading their meta-theories. Anyhow, I understand the Jonsa fans are a whole other issue. I'm talking about the reactions I see to the ship itself, fandom aside. Like on reddit or maybe quora. Twitter and youtube as well. Sansa is a pretty unpopular character and people who don't like her don't want to see her with someone like Jon, who is usually a fan favorite. Dany tends to be *loathed* on Quora, if only because of her anti-slavery campaign. The other posts that crack me up are the ones making Sansa the Madonna, because she’s a virgin, and Dany the Whore, because she has engaged in consensual sex. That makes Dany a fallen woman. Morte, Ser Arthurs Dawn and Many-Faced Votary 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 22 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said: To a less extreme degree, there are also those who ship her with the Hound, Tyrion or Jon. None of whom work or aren't creepy, each for obvious reasons. Well it doesn't help that Sansa ships herself with The Hound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, Angel Eyes said: Well it doesn't help that Sansa ships herself with The Hound. Which is part of her unhealthy way of dealing with her burdens, it's obvious that the Hound is very far from good for her. Ser Arthurs Dawn and EggBlue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 26 minutes ago, SeanF said: Dany tends to be *loathed* on Quora, if only because of her anti-slavery campaign. The other posts that crack me up are the ones making Sansa the Madonna, because she’s a virgin, and Dany the Whore, because she has engaged in consensual sex. That makes Dany a fallen woman. And the whole Dany/Irri argument lol SeanF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) Although they're crackships, I always find the idea of Jon/Cersei, Jon/Catelyn, and Dany/Cersei pretty hot. Edited February 14 by SeanF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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