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35 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I mean, players do go for that, but Arsenal signed Trossard for 27mil for the exact same role and with an actually proven ability to play across the front. Dango Ouattara is less tested, but Bournemouth got him for 20mil and he also has a proven ability to play in multiple positions.

Trossard's 28 and has basically never had a good goal scoring season. Arsenal have signed him to do a job for them right now when they need a forward to keep them in a title race. Liverpool obviously wanted Gakpo to fill in for a bit while they were waiting for Jota, Diaz and Firmino but they presumably also see him as someone they can develop longterm too.

It's just not a signing to get too excited about either way for me. Liverpool have paid about the market rate for a player who's going to replace Firmino as a rotation option for the forward line. If they could have found a good option cheaper that would have been great but it's also not really breaking the bank for a Premier League team anymore.:dunno:

47 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

I mean, Jorginho cost Arsenal 17. We got Sabitzer on loan, but since Bayern clearly don't see him in their team you'd have thought a good offer for a permanent deal would have tempted them. Neither are young, no, but you're in emergency straits right now.

Neither of those options really strike me as good solutions to Liverpool's midfield issues.

48 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

 As does the fact that there weren't rotational forwards already in the squad and you had to launch Gakpo straight in when Diaz and that were injured, coz you let Minamino and Shaqiri go and never replaced either.

There were rotational options in the squad, it's just that two of them, Jota and Firmino, were also injured. They did replace Minamino and Shaqiri with Carvalho but don't seem to think he's quite ready to play significant minutes yet (not that Minamino or Shaqiri did either). Honestly I don't think it'd have made a massive difference just playing Nunez and Salah with one of the young players but Firmino's leaving in the summer if they think Gakpo's a good option to replace him why not sign him when they get the chance?

1 hour ago, polishgenius said:

It's just been a bunch of what individually are little things that have come together to cause a huge mess for you.

Well, yeah, clearly they've gotten it wrong on whether the midfield could go another year. Liverpool's squad building has gone really well for a number of years, it's not gone well this season. They're going to have to make some big decisions in the Summer so we'll have to see whether they can get it back on track.

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You know things are going against you when Oliver Skipp is scoring worldies. 




 

27 minutes ago, ljkeane said:

If they could have found a good option cheaper that would have been great but it's also not really breaking the bank for a Premier League team anymore.:dunno:


No, in a vacuum I wouldn't think it a problem. It baffles me in combination because I don't think he can do the job that all of us think he's been bought to do, and because at the time he was bought, it was so clear a midfielder is needed. 

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One goal in the last six games for Chelsea is dreadful. Typical impulsive new owner moves backfired like they tend to do and Potter needs to get sack yesterday. What a mess.

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Potter isn't the problem. That would be the owner. I mean, he sacked Tuchel because he refused to countenance CR7. There was probably more to it, too. 

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40-50 million for a 4th or 5th choice striker seems...odd to me.

I imagine Liverpool didn't go for a midfielder because they were waiting for Jude, but I think it was clear in the summer ( possibly earlier) that they needed one.

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Potter is also the problem. Managers always have been and always will be held responsible for the results. The results have been horrendous and he's looking like a deer in the headlights out there. The only thing that might save him is that Chelsea might have to pay out £50m in compensation, unless they were smart enough to include a performance related break clause in his contract.

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30 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

Potter isn't the problem. That would be the owner. I mean, he sacked Tuchel because he refused to countenance CR7. There was probably more to it, too. 

My understanding is Tuchel didn't get along with the new ownership group and wouldn't communicate with them to their expectations (though to be fair, it sounded like they were asking him to teach them the ins and outs of the EPL). Sounds like a classic oil and water situation.

That said, it's pretty clear the team has been a lot worse under Potter. It's an almost unwatchable product at this point.

 

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1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said:

 

I promise no horses will be punched at the conclusion of this football match. 

Only because there are no horses nearby.

But there's a duck pond nearby so I can't promise a duck isn't getting kicked in the cloaca. 

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