Knowing It's Coming and Not Liking It

[kissdbyfire]

21 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

Word, for sure.

But isn't this before the crow?

The crow appears and pecks at Bran’s forehead in AGoT.

ps: the dream where Brand/Summer reach out to Jon/Ghost in ACoK happens before Bran physically meets Bloodraven, but after the 3EC appears to Bran in AGoT and pecks at his forehead.

Edited February 24 by kissdbyfire

[Ser Arthurs Dawn]

2 minutes ago, Lord Edmure of Riverrun said:

I’ll be mad at zGrrm For that. Jeyne has suffered way too much for such a. Minor character. She either needs to marry Theon at the end or become Lady of the Dreadfort after the Boltons are exterminated

I'll take Lady of the Dreadfort. I love Theon, but having her marry him would just be icky. If it were me, it would feel like further punishment.  I'm so sorry.

[King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd]

Just now, Ser Arthurs Dawn said:

I'll take Lady of the Dreadfort. I love Theon, but having her marry him would just be icky. If it were me, it would feel like further punishment.  I'm so sorry.

See I think their relationship is kinda fucked but they’ve both been traumatized by Ramsay. I wouldn’t be shocked if Jeyne wants to be celibate the rest of her life and it just so happens with Theon that wouldn’t be a problem. 

[Lord of Oldstones]

If theres anyone to burn Shireen its Wildlings.Val is very scared of her and thinks her as time bomb. With GRRM cant expect anything but death for her. 

I will have hard time reading about decimation & death of all Tyrell siblings ( Willas might survive imo) and Euron defeating the Redwynes and raiding half the Reach, Doran's kids all dying from his master plan, poor Brienne probably getting blind losing her beautiful eyes etc etc.

 

 

Edited February 24 by Lord of Oldstones

[kissdbyfire]

15 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said:

Idk.. I agree Selyse is a religious fanatic, but I can see the burning of Shireen being a big issue for her. She's another minor character that D&D misunderstood and they made her staunch religious beliefs her entire personality. (Mostly because D&D hate religion and used any opportunity to fully demonize it with an evil character that they really didn't bother to study.) In the books Selyse is very political and doesn't seem to carry any feelings of resentment towards Shireen. At most, she might be indifferent. But regardless of her own personal feelings towards her daughter, she fully acknowledges that she is Stannis' heir and wishes to protect her because of that.

She also gets pissed at Maester Cressen's suggestion of sending Shireen away. Selyse has zero problem challenging her husband, and she might challenge him about burning Shireen. Shireen is his only heir, and I think Selyse will be the one to try and stress that to him. If she is there to do so.

I agree that the showrunners didn’t get it right - none of it, w/ any character. Irt Selyse… I mean, dead babies in jars? Really? That said, I think her religious fervour is truly off the charts imo. For instance, I’m certain she knows Mel’s been banging Stannis, I’m certain Mel has her full support in everything she does. And I do think she might feel bad about it or sad or something, but if Mel tells her it’s necessary, that it is Red Rahloo’s wishes or command, she’ll go along w/ it. Just my 2p, I fully acknowledge I may be wrong and that my deep dislike for the character may be colouring my opinion. 

[Curled Finger]

2 hours ago, SeanF said:

The Sands will torture the kittens in front of him.

You are a brutal man.

[Ser Arthurs Dawn]

5 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

I agree that the showrunners didn’t get it right - none of it, w/ any character. Irt Selyse… I mean, dead babies in jars? Really? That said, I think her religious fervour is truly off the charts imo. For instance, I’m certain she knows Mel’s been banging Stannis, I’m certain Mel has her full support in everything she does. And I do think she might feel bad about it or sad or something, but if Mel tells her it’s necessary, that it is Red Rahloo’s wishes or command, she’ll go along w/ it. Just my 2p, I fully acknowledge I may be wrong and that my deep dislike for the character may be colouring my opinion. 

I acknowledge I may be wrong too! Especially when I'm interacting with you guys, you're all so smart lol. A small part of me can see GRRM giving us what we got in the show. Her going along with it and then regretting it when it's too late. And you're right that she's way too dependent upon Mel's visions and guidance. Maybe she won't go for it at first but will be convinced shortly thereafter. Either way, I enjoy watching Selyse get on Stannis' nerves hehe. Am I the drama?

But also, I'm biased in my assessment as well. I fully acknowledge that she is a wicked woman in need of a spanking with nail filled baseball bat, but I enjoy her for some reason. I'm drawn to the failgirls lol.

[Curled Finger]

2 hours ago, Hugorfonics said:

It's in text

Exactly! Couldn't put it better!

Also, imo, usually, the darker the better. So do I want to see Shireen burn? Not particularly. But do I want to see what Stannis the kinslayer acts like? Hell yea.

I wonder if it's possible to sigh with joy when I see you.  I do enjoy the awful things His Dreadfulness comes up with, but the more I think about poor Brienne the more convinced I become that TWOW will actually drench me in blood as I read it.  Stannis behaves like himself shed of both Mel and Davos.  Oh this will be very bad indeed.  

[SeanF]

20 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

I agree that the showrunners didn’t get it right - none of it, w/ any character. Irt Selyse… I mean, dead babies in jars? Really? That said, I think her religious fervour is truly off the charts imo. For instance, I’m certain she knows Mel’s been banging Stannis, I’m certain Mel has her full support in everything she does. And I do think she might feel bad about it or sad or something, but if Mel tells her it’s necessary, that it is Red Rahloo’s wishes or command, she’ll go along w/ it. Just my 2p, I fully acknowledge I may be wrong and that my deep dislike for the character may be colouring my opinion. 

In "And Seven Times Never Kill Man", they all go mad and start massacring their children at the end.  I can't help thinking that something like that will go on at the Wall.

[Craving Peaches]

1 hour ago, Hugorfonics said:

I don't think at the time Stannis knowingly killed Renly, because the logistics don't add up.

I think they do but this isn't the place for a big debate and so we can just agree to disagree?

[SeanF]

6 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said:

I acknowledge I may be wrong too! Especially when I'm interacting with you guys, you're all so smart lol. A small part of me can see GRRM giving us what we got in the show. Her going along with it and then regretting it when it's too late. And you're right that she's way too dependent upon Mel's visions and guidance. Maybe she won't go for it at first but will be convinced shortly thereafter. Either way, I enjoy watching Selyse get on Stannis' nerves hehe. Am I the drama?

But also, I'm biased in my assessment as well. I fully acknowledge that she is a wicked woman in need of a spanking with nail filled baseball bat, but I enjoy her for some reason. I'm drawn to the failgirls lol.

If it gets really dark, then maybe it's Jon who sanctions the burning of Shireen, as the Others come swarming through the Wall, and Mel tells him its Shireen or the world.

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said:

I don't want Harry to die either, but every time Sansa prays or wishes for something it gets answered one way or another. Maybe it will just be a minor or major injury, maybe it will be a game changer for his attitude.

You're going to hell for this. He's not going to burn her, he's just gonna take her on a fun daddy-daughter date to a toasty bonfire.  It'll be cute, you'll see.

I already can't stand Harry, but I don't want to get to the place where I cheer for him to die.  Conversely, I don't want to get to where I like him enough to sob when he dies either.  Always safer to hate them up front, I say.  Kill him before he starts slapping Sansa around or worse.  

I want an emoji button for the bold.  More of us need to be told more often that we are going to hell for so many of the things we say here.  Well done, Dawn!  

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, SeanF said:

Presumably, we get it through Jon's POV, who is presumably horrified, but in desperation, needs Stannis as an ally after the Others breach the Wall.

Or, if Shireen is burned to revive Jon, then through Melisandre's.  Melisandre will feel regret, but do it for what she considers the greater good.  Selyse will sing joyfully to the Red God as Shireen burns, after having told her daughter it is a great honour for her to be burned alive. 

Or maybe through Asha's, who presumably would feel the same way as Jon. 

Did I say brutal?  I meant horrible.  Yes a horrible man.  You are a horrible man.  Are you GRRM?  

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, Craving Peaches said:

I know quite a few people think Stannis won't burn Shireen but we do have to remember that this is the man who left one brother to die, killed the other over a crown he supposedly 'didn't want', and was ready to burn his nephew alive.

Now it would probably be a harder decision for him to make to kill Shireen then it was when he chose to kill Renly, but I think he would do it if Melisandre convinced him it was absolutely necessary, like with Edric.

I want to argue this.  But I can't.  

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, EggBlue said:

there are so many things I dread to read in tWoW and yet, I think are quite plausible...

1. Shireen burning

2. Tommen and Myrcella's deaths will be sad either way but I'd especially hate it if it's by the Sand Snakes 

3. Aegon revealing to be a Blackfyre... frankly, I don't like this theory currently! I used to like it but not anymore! 

4. Cersei surviving ... can't bare the woman ... hopefully the Valanquer will take her down in the winds

5. Jon Connington burning down himself and Kingslanding with it , meanwhile damaging Aegon's cause terribly. a catastrophe sounded inevitable from the very first time I read Jon Con's chapter and the show's Bells only make it too damn obvious. but the man's life is so f***ing tragic, I hate to read that happen. 

 

then, there are some things I'd be seriously disappointed if I don't see happen in the Winds: 

1. Dany must come to Westeros finally

2. there should be more Bran chapters, more Others related stuff and I'd be genuinely pissed if Winds doesn't dive into magical stuff

3. I also want to finally get the answer to Jon's crypt dreams . and No, I do not think it's [only] about his parentage

all in all , this book has a lot to answer and wrap up before the last book and has to seriously make up for the long long wait . 

You are going to hell.  

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, kissdbyfire said:

For the record, now that Stannis is in Old Gods territory and after he witnesses certain things early on in TWoW, he may be a lot less keen on burning anyone. 

I feel like you give me false hope here.  All I can see is Asha wanting Theon beheaded instead of burning and feeling it would be a mercy.  

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, SeanF said:

Opting instead for having their entrails removed, and hung up as an offering to the Old Gods.

I am running out of English adjectives for how bad you are!  

[Ser Arthurs Dawn]

24 minutes ago, SeanF said:

If it gets really dark, then maybe it's Jon who sanctions the burning of Shireen, as the Others come swarming through the Wall, and Mel tells him its Shireen or the world.

Val's off to the side like, "bye, you little greyscale bitch "

 

22 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

I already can't stand Harry, but I don't want to get to the place where I cheer for him to die.  Conversely, I don't want to get to where I like him enough to sob when he dies either.  Always safer to hate them up front, I say.  Kill him before he starts slapping Sansa around or worse.  

Same! I would much prefer to see her with my sweet Willas but I feel like we won't get that at this point. Seriously, why is she always getting stuck with these jerks? I hope GRRM end this trend soon.

22 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

I want an emoji button for the bold.  More of us need to be told more often that we are going to hell for so many of the things we say here.  Well done, Dawn!  

I just like to predict people's futures, especially over opinions I don't like hehe

Edited February 24 by Ser Arthurs Dawn

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, Mithras said:

I think Stannis will sacrifice Asha in TWoW first and seeing that it works, he will be more inclined to sacrifice Shireen in the end.

No.  Just no.  Not Asha!  Burn Selyse, not Asha!  We won't have anymore great instructive sex scenes if Asha burns.

[Curled Finger]

1 hour ago, Lord Edmure of Riverrun said:

I’ll be mad at GRRM for that. Jeyne has suffered way too much for such a. Minor character. She either needs to marry Theon at the end or become Lady of the Dreadfort after the Boltons are exterminated

At least that is better than Arya taking her face and going back to Winterfell.  I think.