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3 minutes ago, Cashless Society said:

I'm pretty sure that was a wink to the fan theory that was popular during the early seasons.

What was the theory?

3 minutes ago, Cashless Society said:

To me it looks like he clearly intended to underline it but his poor health makes it look like he's scratching it out halfway. It's also hilarious that Kendall is intact, but Logan Roy is scratched out.

The way I reason it is that there was nothing that happened in the last 18 months that would make him decide that Kendall could ever run the empire. Just think about all the nuts stuff Kendall has been through in that time. On top of that, if he meant to underline it, he would have gone, "Shit, it looks like I crossed it out, lets underline a few more times for emphasis, or break out the eraser:" Whereas if it was a sloppy attempt at crossing out, he'd shrug and say, "That's enough, they know I fucking don't trust the boy to run anything."

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11 minutes ago, Ran said:

What was the theory?

The way I reason it is that there was nothing that happened in the last 18 months that would make him decide that Kendall could ever run the empire. Just think about all the nuts stuff Kendall has been through in that time. On top of that, if he meant to underline it, he would have gone, "Shit, it looks like I crossed it out, lets underline a few more times for emphasis, or break out the eraser:" Whereas if it was a sloppy attempt at crossing out, he'd shrug and say, "That's enough, they know I fucking don't trust the boy to run anything."

That Greg would end up taking over Waystar Royco.

The timeline of the show is really wonky, but 18 months would be sometime in season 2. At that point Roman and Kendall were vying it out to see who would be Logan's number 2 in the proxy war, and Shiv rejoined the company. I could definitely see the underlining as Logan putting in a note to revisit whether Kendall should still be running the company. Given everything that went down during season 3, the document may have slipped his mind. 

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32 minutes ago, Cashless Society said:

That Greg would end up taking over Waystar Royco.

The timeline of the show is really wonky, but 18 months would be sometime in season 2. At that point Roman and Kendall were vying it out to see who would be Logan's number 2 in the proxy war, and Shiv rejoined the company. I could definitely see the underlining as Logan putting in a note to revisit whether Kendall should still be running the company. Given everything that went down during season 3, the document may have slipped his mind. 

I did wonder a year or so sgo if Logan, forced to pick a successor by the board, would pick Greg as a puppet (also to piss off his brother). Greg would think he’d won - for 5 minutes, and the series would end with Logan dying and the kids circling like vultures, with Greg realising he was fucked.

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I still have no idea what will happen.  Given what I think is the general mindset of the showrunner(s), I expect it will be on the grim side personally but everyone will stay very rich.  The Murdoch brothers in real life apparently no longer speak to each other, the daughter does her own thing, some kind of production company I think.  

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6 hours ago, Relic said:

Anyone up for some predictions? 

I'm seeing a Roman/Carrie development, given Roman's Oedipus complex. I think part of his interest in Gerri is thinking that his dad was there first. Not sure where that would go, but it would probably lead to Roman getting owned by Marcia. 

Connor will probably have some election influence with his .9%. No idea where that would lead, but I can see him getting the NarcoCapitalist (the Dem) running elected, putting him at odds with ATN.

Kendall is going to flame out, obviously. Could see a Marcia development here, given what she knows about him, and seeing as Colin is working for her now. 

Shiv and Tom come out on top, whatever that is. 

Greg - no idea. But everyone hates Greg, and he's been pretty horrible. Back to the parks throwing up out of Goofy's eyeholes?

I agree both with Kendall and Connor- with the latter, they seem to be hinting that with his swing states tour, all states that Trump won by a narrow margin in 2016 to give him the election. I think Tom is toast, and Shiv will abandon the company in the end. None of the family will be in charge.

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12 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I just want a spin off show with Gerri, Karl, and Frank :rofl:

Karl really got his moment to shine with his words to Tom, which I think he'd been thinking about since at least the Boar on the Floor incident.  

Predictions: I think we get a real Lear and all the kids die, probably in a helicopter or PJ incident (not the pj's!)

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4 minutes ago, Larry of the Lake said:

Karl really got his moment to shine with his words to Tom, which I think he'd been thinking about since at least the Boar on the Floor incident.  

Predictions: I think we get a real Lear and all the kids die, probably in a helicopter or PJ incident (not the pj's!)

That was the best. What did he say about Tom - a bumbling interloper? 

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I loved how the "King is Dead" motif throughout the episode, especially how Marcia immediately assumes authority and control over the "royal household". Rough for Kerry. Maybe not undeserved. 

I'm not sure about Kendall. I think he may have it. Maybe it's just Strong's performance rubbing off, but he seems to be thinking clearly for the first time we've seen. Not sure that means he "wins" but... maybe he will? 

Connor is totally going to be a spoiler. But I loved seeing Stephen Root again as everyone should. 

I don't know where Shiv goes now from here. She certainly thinks she's the smartest and the best, but she is not a strategic thinker. 

As for Tom and by extension Greg, unclear. Greg is a survivor... though he seems like he was auditioning for Court Jester for Dowager Queen Marcia. Tom may be fucked. But there's that baby... in any case, he didn't seem to have come up with any backup post-Logan plan. 

 

12 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I just want a spin off show with Gerri, Karl, and Frank :rofl:

I would watch this. Their little kitchen conversation was great. 

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1 hour ago, Aemon Stark said:

That was the best. What did he say about Tom - a bumbling interloper? 

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I loved how the "King is Dead" motif throughout the episode, especially how Marcia immediately assumes authority and control over the "royal household". Rough for Kerry. Maybe not undeserved. 

I'm not sure about Kendall. I think he may have it. Maybe it's just Strong's performance rubbing off, but he seems to be thinking clearly for the first time we've seen. Not sure that means he "wins" but... maybe he will? 

Connor is totally going to be a spoiler. But I loved seeing Stephen Root again as everyone should. 

I don't know where Shiv goes now from here. She certainly thinks she's the smartest and the best, but she is not a strategic thinker. 

As for Tom and by extension Greg, unclear. Greg is a survivor... though he seems like he was auditioning for Court Jester for Dowager Queen Marcia. Tom may be fucked. But there's that baby... in any case, he didn't seem to have come up with any backup post-Logan plan. 

 

I would watch this. Their little kitchen conversation was great. 

Yassss, the kitchen takedown!!!! SO GOOD!!!

Do I think Shiv is prepared to be a single mother? Yes, I do. She’ll just get a nanny or two until the kid is old enough to be interesting.

We do know that she is about 20 weeks, and this is bad of me, but I thought she was just (as a character, not an actress!!) getting fat and sloppy looking. Like the writers were trying to telegraph a breakdown through her presentation - weight, hair (omg, the stubby ponytail), clothes (dreadful). Now that we know she probably IS (as a character) having a breakdown because she’s pregnant by her estranged husband….makes total sense.

In real life, apparently, the actress is pregnant, so great writing it in rather than trying to wrap up filming her scenes quickly or something.

I was also glad to see that Marcia is not shopping in Milan, forever :) lol

 

ETA - neither Tom nor Kerry had a post-Logan plan. Both clearly thought he would live forever. 

The actor who plays Tom is amazing - he’s really British, but I’m from the upper Midwest, and he TOTALLY had me convinced he’s from Minneapolis with his diction and mannerisms. Upper middle class Minneapolis, but yes.

Kerry - also likely an amazing actress and I’m sure she has decent hair in real life :rofl:

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22 hours ago, Larry of the Lake said:

Predictions: I think we get a real Lear and all the kids die, probably in a helicopter or PJ incident (not the pj's!)

Oh dear, it worked so well with Dynasty at the time...

 

On 4/17/2023 at 11:10 PM, Ran said:

The way I reason it is that there was nothing that happened in the last 18 months that would make him decide that Kendall could ever run the empire.

Season 2 finale, Logan tells Ken he could be good and take over, if he actually were a killer, which he is not. Then Kendall, ordered to take one for the team, goes on national TV and directly accuses his father. Didn't even Logan acknowledge that Kendall acted as Logan would and might have a bit of a killer instinct? And eventually Logan decides that indeed Kendall is the better choice available and (sloppily) underlines his name. Still, I suppose it's with dealing with Maatson and the "old guard" and board meetings that we'll see if Kendall is worth anything really - because his killer instincts were there for a few days and then he fell once again for his self-aggrandizing pity bullshit.

 

Tom's takedown by Karl was great, but all 3 kids deserve one - and a bigger one than what Tom said about them, however true. But I suppose Logan himself did a lot of that in earlier seasons, and the kids did it to each other from time to time.

Whatever, great acting all around. They really nailed it with this season.

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23 hours ago, Larry of the Lake said:

we get a real Lear and all the kids die, probably in a helicopter PJ incident

Would that be ... a Lear PJ?

Who is Albany, who is Edgar, and who is Kent?

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Could Connor possibly be one of them since he's not really in the family at all?  OTOH, the court jester is Edgar and if Greg is the jester ... ?

That's what always impressed me about Lear -- that Shakespeare dared to write a work in which nobody is any good, and certainly not bright. 

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Ya, Lear evidently was before his dotage relentless and brave enough to make a kingdom, but too stupid to preserve it.  The sisters and their spouses are stupid.  And Cordelia, good lordessa, one stupid decision after another, when if she'd done it smart she could have avoided the entire tragedy mess. Do we believe tv could be that brave?

 

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Alexander Skarsgård is starting to look more like his father now that he's getting more wrinkles. He's so good as Matsson. His tipping off Shiv that the brothers tried to tank the deal but he undercut them with a deal raise delivered to the board (through Frank) so they can't hide it was pretty interesting.

The Shiv-Tom interaction is fascinating.

Every time Greg is on the screen, I cringe so hard. Does he literally believe himself when he says that quad squad, blood is thicker than water bullshit, or is he simply trying to will it into reality by main force?

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Gotta love seeing Roman and Kendall in their element, aka completely fucking up and failing to tank a deal they had no interest in AND getting a better pay in the end. Truly wonderful business acumen there, though that may have been slightly due to Shiv. Slightly.

 

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According to wikipedia tonight's episode is called "Living+" Heres hoping we get Brian Cox back as Logan's Westworld robot. They uploaded scans of his brain to it, but it just stands there repeating "fuck off." 

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