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US Politics: They're Gunnin' 4 Us


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22 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

I’ve seen numerous commentators talk about the fact arresting Trump will guarantee both his nomination and his election. The anger will stir up his supporters to a fierce boil.

I was also shocked to see stories about his growing support among non-white voters. Apparently he’s so far ahead of his rivals because he’s so far ahead in that category. What the hell do black voters see in Donald Trump????

Being "so far ahead of his rivals" at this point would mean just his rivals for the Republican nomination, not the general election. So his being ahead with "non-White voters" would only mean that small subset of non-Whites who plan to vote in Republican primaries.

Trump has increased his popularity with non-Whites, but to my understanding he is still very far from having majority approval among them. And I believe that increase is primarily driven by working class men, who are also the biggest reliable part of his base among Whites.  There are similarities in blue collar culture that cross racial and ethnic boundaries, and I think a lot of blue collar men, especially among Hispanics, interpret Trump's angry bluster as a sign of "machismo", which is very positive for them. 

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23 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

I’ve seen numerous commentators talk about the fact arresting Trump will guarantee both his nomination and his election. The anger will stir up his supporters to a fierce boil.

If that's the case, it means Trump will win no matter what, because his arrest will not convince anyone who's not already voting MAGA.

I'd say that, on the contrary, arresting him and re-affirming the rule of law is the best way to keep fascism at bay.

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1 hour ago, Rippounet said:

If that's the case, it means Trump will win no matter what, because his arrest will not convince anyone who's not already voting MAGA.

I'd say that, on the contrary, arresting him and re-affirming the rule of law is the best way to keep fascism at bay.

It's a real fucking conundrum. 

If he figures out that he can start saying "Criminal", "Justice", and "Reform" in sequence then I'm joining Wagner. I'll take my chances as a Russian bullet sponge over the future you people are gonna have. 

And please, somebody give me a laugh by pointing out the hypocrisy of such a thing. I could use a good chuckle. 

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1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Looks like Desantis is taking some swings:

 

I’m puzzled. Why is going after people who make hush-money payments “fundamentally wrong”? Keeping your deep, dark secrets buried with hush-money is fundamentally right? Has he used hush-money to keep his secrets buried? Maybe not payments to porn stars, but to others, contractors, police, lawyers?

And just how do you become a Soros-funded prosecutor? Does New York ask billionaires for donations to run their Justice departments?

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Soros is code.

You simply cannot say: Zionist/Jewish puppet anymore.

Thus right wingers say Soros funded instead. Progress :dunno:

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13 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

And just how do you become a Soros-funded prosecutor? Does New York ask billionaires for donations to run their Justice departments?

They aren't talking about Soros running the departments. They are talking about him donating to their political campaigns. In many places in the U.S. District Attorneys, who are the chief prosecutors in a jurisdiction, are elected by the public. I think that's a bad idea myself, but that's the way it is. And the New York Post has repoted that Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney in charge of the relevant Trump case, had $1 million donated to his last campaign by George Soros. Not sure if that's accurate, but it's been widely repeated in the right wing media, and mentioned by Trump himself in his fundraising emails.

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4 hours ago, Ormond said:

They aren't talking about Soros running the departments. They are talking about him donating to their political campaigns. In many places in the U.S. District Attorneys, who are the chief prosecutors in a jurisdiction, are elected by the public. I think that's a bad idea myself, but that's the way it is. And the New York Post has repoted that Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney in charge of the relevant Trump case, had $1 million donated to his last campaign by George Soros. Not sure if that's accurate, but it's been widely repeated in the right wing media, and mentioned by Trump himself in his fundraising emails.

Geez, I feel like I have to repeat what I said in the UK thread. Haven’t you people heard of campaign limits???? It’s 2023, not 1823. The maximum you can donate to a federal candidate is $3,300 in Canada. I’d have to look up the different provinces, but the amounts are all pretty similar.

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17 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Geez, I feel like I have to repeat what I said in the UK thread. Haven’t you people heard of campaign limits???? It’s 2023, not 1823. The maximum you can donate to a federal candidate is $3,300 in Canada. I’d have to look up the different provinces, but the amounts are all pretty similar.

It's a feature, not a bug.

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18 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Geez, I feel like I have to repeat what I said in the UK thread. Haven’t you people heard of campaign limits???? It’s 2023, not 1823. The maximum you can donate to a federal candidate is $3,300 in Canada. I’d have to look up the different provinces, but the amounts are all pretty similar.

Citizens United

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Stll in Spain, the poorest part of Spain, the south, and yet, it remains, city after city, cleaner, saner, safer, functional, PROSPEROUS to a shocking degree, particularly compared with the actually madly wealthy northern Basque regions which have all the business and manufacturing.  In the south it's tourism and agriculture (but such splendid agriculture).  It is civilized.  The US and England still look and are seedy, grubby, dysfunctional with outsized numbers of insane inside and outside government.  Additionally in the US everyone is armed and are using the arms -- see Miami and DeSantis's curfew, for just latest examples.

Homelessness and the consequently mentally disturbed here few and far between.

On the other hand the dementia of Santa Semana is heating up big time, here in the South, where the last auto-da-fé was at the start of the 18th C. These things can turn on a dime.  People who aren't white are never in groups, hardly seen, and keep heads way down.

Mexico's food is much superior, of course.  OTOH, the wine and beer here, are of the Terroir, fresh, and of heaven.  So are the eggs and fruit and yogurt, etc.

Still makes the US look brutal and anything but civilized or financially attractive.

 

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10 hours ago, Zorral said:

In the south it's tourism and agriculture (but such splendid agriculture).  It is civilized.

Ah, agriculture in southern Spain.

Basically one of the most arid regions of Europe is used to grow bellpeppers and stuff to be shipped north. If you want to know institutional European insanity, that's a good place to start.

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