US Politics: They're Gunnin' 4 Us

[Varysblackfyre321]

9 minutes ago, cock_merchant said:

Sure, but that's not happening in America. 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/24/house-votes-to-make-florida-a-gun-license-free-state-sends-bill-to-senate/70044935007/
https://www.fox10tv.com/2023/03/24/no-prison-time-foley-man-who-illegally-sold-guns-federal-judge-rules/

 

[Varysblackfyre321]

23 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Just wanted to save you the trouble of watching the news and waiting for legislative action for the next couple of weeks, and decided to provide you with a condensed version of the debate. It feels kinda repetitive. But that's the gun debate in America for you.

Unfortunately there’s going to be an added layer of transphobia with this debate with all the “criminals would just find a way to get guns others way”

folk declaring that the shooting demand a systematic response to far more heavily constrict and possibly ban HRT. 
 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

33 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Just wanted to save you the trouble of watching the news and waiting for legislative action for the next couple of weeks, and decided to provide you with a condensed version of the debate. It feels kinda repetitive. But that's the gun debate in America for you.

We'll ban more books, that's the solution! 

[Varysblackfyre321]

On 3/23/2023 at 6:05 AM, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Thank you for that link.  The point is well made, well considered, and ultimately apolitical.  All laws will have unanticipated blow back.  Because people get creative when new laws are enacted.

Scot I think you’re interpretation is valid but I would also add it’s not just an about of poor hindsight being capitalized on by bad actors post inaction of a law—a lot of times people who understand the consequences still downplay the risks because they honestly don’t care if those risks to actualize or want those outcomes to happen.

For example anecdotally I got into an argument with someone who expressed umbrage with those noting how it could needlessly endanger kids mental wellbeing and safety, crying that it’s wrong to assume that parents would have a negative reaction.

During the course of dialogue they compared queer kids transitioning to mutilation, and drug abuse and asked if conversion therapy wouldn’t be effective what’d be the issue. Also objected to a trans woman reporting on the republicans anti-trans bill being referred to as a mother.

It sounds hyperbolic, but the general republican efforts are to make trans people virtually illegal in public, too miserable to exist in the public sphere, or dead.

 

[Larry of the Lawn]

42 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Scot I think you’re interpretation is valid but I would also add it’s not just an about of poor hindsight being capitalized on by bad actors post inaction of a law—a lot of times people who understand the consequences still downplay the risks because they honestly don’t care if those risks to actualize or want those outcomes to happen.

For example anecdotally I got into an argument with someone who expressed umbrage with those noting how it could needlessly endanger kids mental wellbeing and safety, crying that it’s wrong to assume that parents would have a negative reaction.

During the course of dialogue they compared queer kids transitioning to mutilation, and drug abuse and asked if conversion therapy wouldn’t be effective what’d be the issue. Also objected to a trans woman reporting on the republicans anti-trans bill being referred to as a mother.

It sounds hyperbolic, but the general republican efforts are to make trans people virtually illegal in public, too miserable to exist in the public sphere, or dead.

 

If you listed all the policies the Shirley Exception could apply to there are going to be some pretty clear political lines drawn.  

[Makk]

1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

We'll ban more books, that's the solution! 

And Tik Tok. That's much more dangerous than any firearm!!!!

[Varysblackfyre321]

4 minutes ago, Larry of the Lake said:

If you listed all the policies the Shirley Exception could apply to there are going to be some pretty clear political lines drawn.  

Clarify please.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

11 minutes ago, Makk said:

And Tik Tok. That's much more dangerous than any firearm!!!!

To be fair, I'm totally down with nuking Tik Tok and a lot of social media in general from orbit. 

[Varysblackfyre321]

the idea being trans people 

[Martell Spy]

4 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Wouldn’t it be nice if the shooter didn’t have easy access to firearms regardless of how how the shooter identified?

I'd like to blame God for not protecting a Christian school.

Also, "good guy with a gun" fails to show up. Bunch of slackers.

[Varysblackfyre321]

29 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

I'd like to blame God for not protecting a Christian school.

Also, "good guy with a gun" fails to show up. Bunch of slackers.

This response angers me so much to this particular situation and I do think liberals have dropped the ball on trans people.

As the right’s rhetoric shifts as it  prepares genocide, the left’s rhetoric just seems stuck from a few years ago not keeping up with the extremity by the opposition.

queer people are going to be in the bullseye of far right chuds looking to protect the children by putting down the “degenerates.

They and their Allies need to be armed and ready.

[Varysblackfyre321]

The bad people shouldn’t be the only ones with guns.

Bad people being fascists like Schaffer.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

20 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

The bad people shouldn’t be the only ones with guns.

Bad people being fascists like Schaffer.

And Jesus said, "Make sure you always shoot your enemies in the head twice, especially if their sin was to ask for water, because they probably deserved it. If you can loot the corpse, awesome!" 

 

[Rippounet]

It must be so nice to be right-wing sometimes. When people on your side lie, steal, beat people up, rape them, or kill them, you can always ignore it and nothing happens. But the moment somemone who can possibly be labeled as "leftist" commits heinous acts, you can declare a crusade against the left and everything it defends.

 

[Varysblackfyre321]

Bills directly calling for banning all medical transitioning even for adults will become more common in a couple days.

[Varysblackfyre321]

3 hours ago, Rippounet said:

When people on your side lie, steal, beat people up, rape them, or kill them, you can always ignore it and nothing happens.

Or blame it on the other side as a false flag—whilst maintaining the person/people who did the false flag are martyrs/heroes.

[Darzin]

9 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

And Jesus said, "Make sure you always shoot your enemies in the head twice, especially if their sin was to ask for water, because they probably deserved it. If you can loot the corpse, awesome!" 

 

 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.  For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.  And a person's enemies will be those of his own household." Matthew 10:34-36

Very biblical.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

27 minutes ago, Darzin said:

 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.  And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Matthew 10:34-36

Very biblical.

In Genesis 19:7-8, Lot says, “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.”

Talk about a book that needs banning...

[Zorral]

Das Waco-Kid
Trump kicks off his campaign in Texas with a 1930s-style bang

Jonathan M. Katz
13 hr ago

"It’s got it all: raging, sexually charged paranoia; anti-Marxist and antisemitic cant; Biblical rhetoric (“cast out” / “throw off”); and the epistrophe of an evangelical sermon. Goebbels could scarcely have written it better."

https://theracket.news/p/das-waco-kid?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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.... I know Nazi analogies are considered passé, maybe even counterproductive, when it comes to American politics. I’ve talked for years now about the fascist roots and fascist themes of Trump’s rhetoric, being careful to situate it in America’s long domestic history of fascism. I have also tried to differentiate between the generally fascist, proto-fascist, and even semi-fascist ideology/actions exhibited by Trump and his movement on one hand, and those of the historical National Socialist German Workers’ Party on the other — because those things are not the same.

But now those fine distinctions are starting to be irrelevant. Over the weekend, Donald Trump officially kicked off his 2024 presidential campaign at the airport in Waco, Texas — an extremely charged location whose significance, if not obvious, I’ll get to in a second. As Trump stood next to the podium, an announcer instructed the crowd:

"Please rise and place your hand over your heart for the number one song on iTunes, Amazon and the Billboard charts: “Justice for All,” featuring President Donald J. Trump and the J6 choir!" [video of the song and performance in article -- it's not a twit or uTube so cannot be embedded here]

The backing track begins with ominous synth overtones — a discordant step down from the atonal melody, and thus meant to plant in the listener’s mind a sense of dystopian injustice. But as the images of the Capitol putsch begin, the backing tones diverge and become more melodic, in a major key, turning the images of the most violently anti-democratic action in recent American history into a hopeful sonic tableau. The video’s editors turn the putschists into victims, bravely standing their ground amid an unjust onslaught. When the “choir” sings, “And the rockets’ red glare / the bombs bursting in air,” we see a montage of menacing Capitol police firing tear gas and smoke bombs into the crowd. At “through the night …,” we see footage of the shooting of Ashli Babbit as she tried to burst into the House Speaker’s Gallery. It then cuts to a pro-Trump protest as the “choir” sings (and men’s voices shout) “… OUR FLAG WAS STILL THERE.”

The video ends with interspersed shots of fighter jets, Bible-reading prisoners in orange jumpsuits, and Trump entering (or, symbolically, re-entering) the White House, as the “choir” chants “USA! USA! USA!” At the airing in Waco, rally-goers chanted along, right on cue.1

This spectacle was taken by most of the political press as being part of Trump’s hamfisted effort to rally his base amid his mounting legal peril, stemming both from his instigation of the January 6 riot, attempts to steal the election in Georgia, and other assorted corruption and malfeasance. As Michael C. Bender and Shane Goldmacher wrote in the New York Times: “The song … is part of a broader attempt by Mr. Trump and his allies to reframe the riot and the effort to overturn the election as patriotic.”

That’s true in part, but it’s also shortsighted. “Justice for All” is, simply put, a 21st Century Horst-Wessel-Lied. The song and the video, with its memorialization of Ashli Babbit and portrayal of the putschists as victims, are a message as clear as the one Hitler gave in 1933: that those who fight and die for Trump will also not only be martyrs but the seeds of a new American “greatness.” It was a call to civil war.

The violence inherent in Trump’s message was further underscored by the choice of the rally’s location, and the text of his ensuing speech. Waco is of course best known as the site of the federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound, exactly thirty years ago next month, in which 82 cult members — including 26 children — and four ATF agents died. (Many of the cult deaths were later ruled to be suicides; several of the children are believed to have been killed by cult members, possibly as mercy killings while the fire raged).

As the scholar Kathleen Belew noted yesterday: “Waco is significant because it is used as the alibi for domestic terrorism: because the federal government killed Branch Davidians at Waco, the story goes, violence against the federal government (and collateral damage against civilians) can be justified.” ....

 

 

[Larry of the Lawn]

17 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

To be fair, I'm totally down with nuking Tik Tok and a lot of social media in general from orbit. 

The bill restricting TikTok seems to do much more than that: