Relic Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 hours ago, Raja said: I love a mess, to be fair. TLJ's special features had a 'Director and Jedi' behind the scenes documentary that I thought was excellent and well worth checking out even if you're not a fan of the film ( personally think TLJ is brilliant, especially the stuff with Luke, except for casino stuff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Relic said: I'm not entirely sure why you've linked this given that I've seen the documentary twice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 That just kinda makes me sad to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rhom said: That just kinda makes me sad to watch it. Same. Fuck Rian Johnson, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Nah, glad he came out and made the best SW movie since Empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Rian Johnson is better off staying in his lane. Mystery movies and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Not for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 The Last Jedi has one concept that I really liked and it’s a shame wasn’t explored more. Benicio Del Toro’s character brings up a very good point, that the rebels are supporting the war economy as well and therefore Rose and Finn are hypocrites for thinking it’s evil. It’s a shame the rest of the movie ignores this scene, because it’s really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Corvinus85 said: Rian Johnson is better off staying in his lane. Mystery movies and such. There is a lot of room for a director like Rian Johnson to creatively play around in a galaxy far, far away. Galaxies are big places. The main sequence with a well established character where the actor is telling you, “This isn’t him” is not it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Another thing that Mando has working against it is the length of time between seasons. It’s kind of crazy how movies are being churned out at a breakneck pace, but all the “premium” shows are now only releasing every other year. I think that’s something that’ll probably reverse in a few years though: the only show that’s managed to sustain that level of popularity over a large time gap like that so far has been Stranger Things. Part of the problem is that there’s just too much television: a lot of people don’t have time to rewatch the last season before the new one releases when there’s so much else to watch. I don’t know about anyone else, but the sheer number of content overwhelms me. A lot of times I’ll go on Netflix to find something to watch and end up doing something else because there’s just too much to sift through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I don’t know about anyone else, but the sheer number of content overwhelms me. A lot of times I’ll go on Netflix to find something to watch and end up doing something else because there’s just too much to sift through. I grew up with four channels. I watched way more TV then than I do now. Then, I knew exactly what was available. (And when… thanks to my parents subscription to TV Guide which came weekly to the house. ) So I would pick one and stick with it. Now, I’ll flip around a bit. Look over Prime/Netflix/DPlus. Not really find anything that speaks to me or maybe I don’t think I have time for it since I know TV is no longer episodic. So I wind up with something on ESPN or HGTV in the backdrop while I fiddle on my phone or read or play a video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rhom said: 47 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I grew up with four channels. I watched way more TV then than I do now. Same, but i was a lot less picky back then too! I can’t imagine watching any of the crap I watched in the past now. I think Disney and others made the mistake of copying the Netflix model of trying to pump out lots of content to keep viewers, but actually I think they could do more with less.. which is maybe what they are realising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Relic said: The movie lost me as soon as Luke tossed his lightsaber over his shoulder. I remember hearing someone in the cinema yell "what?!" which was pretty much my reaction on the inside. Hilarious how the guy says "he's not the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy, he's Obi". Obiwan didn't give up and go to an island to die. He was carrying on the fight in secret, waiting for Luke to come of age so he could train him. Imagine having a guy with such a fundamental misunderstanding of the character getting to work on a Star Wars movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Nah, Ram is right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Yeah, until Rebels retconned it I don't think it was particularly weird to think that obi wan was giving up and was done. Same with Yoda. Heck, that is the entire premise of the obi wan series, so it isn't that odd. I think there's definitely room to disagree with Luke's arc and the way it was handled, especially if you believe that characters can never ever change or you don't want them to ever change. I don't think it's reasonable to say that it can't happen when we literally saw it happen at the end of RotS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 The obi-wan series came after everything else so if anything that was the retcon. The idea that "we don't think characters should change" seems similar to the "you don't like TLJ cause it tries new stuff" argument in that it's a type of condescending dismissiveness toward the opinions of people who don't like TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 For me, the mains issues with TLJ are: 1) the missing connecting dots with the original trilogy that both it and TFA failed to really develop. Even with other media thrown in the mix, plenty of gaps were left. And hell, there is plenty of room to develop stories, just like they've been doing it for the period between the fall of the Republic and the Battle of Yavin. Maybe we will get a story about Luke and Ben that develops nicely and we see that Luke had genuine reasons to fear Ben. But the rush job of TLJ wasn't it. 2) The movie felt small, and had silly plot points. A better option would have been a chase across half the galaxy, instead of the crawl to a planet that made no sense considering that ships have hyperdrives. And maybe then Abrams wouldn't have felt the need to include the mind-numbingly dumb simulated roller coaster scene of the Falcon jumping from system to system without any king of thought in the final movie. (among so many other stupid moments) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I could write an essay on all the issues I had with TLJ and with Luke's acr in particular and I can assure it's a lot more nuanced than "you don't like it when characters change" or "you don't like it when SW tries new stuff". It's like saying you don't like the ways in which they developed Luke's character, for various reasons, must mean you don't like character development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Trust me, no one wants to read this essay. Though I'm totally okay with people not liking Luke's arc even though it worked really well for me. Disagreemenets regarding what the character is supposed to be are common in films, Hammil himself said so and had similar disagreements with Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I imagine in years to come the sequel trilogy will be taught in class as an example of how not to make a trilogy. While The Lord of the Rings being the gold standard. In Star Wars case you have two directors trying very hard to undo each others work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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