Corvo the Crow Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 14 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Sorry, that's just a horrendous scenario there. I guess Jeyne also agrees with her treatment by Ramsay and others because she never ran away? 12 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: Can you really compare Jeyne with a wildling girl? Jeyne's upbringing wasn't the wildling way. It wasn't even the peasant way, she is brought up in a castle and her father probably belong to petty nobility, holding a village perhaps or at least descend from such. 16 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Power is hereditary among the wildlings, too. Property in land is power, and people actually do have long halls and the like which they would pass on to their children or kin. There is no succession/inheritance by primogeniture but that doesn't mean that succession/inheritance within the family is uncommon or unheard of. One would expect that the children of great chiefs and raiders and warriors and 'lords' follow in their footsteps, although in a less rigid way than in the Seven Kingdoms - simply because the richest, most wealthy wilding families would give their children the best chances of making a name for themselves. They would have the best food, the least chances to starve or freeze to death in winter, the best equipment, weaponry, clothes, etc. We don't know that. Those halls may very well be the villages property with current chieftain holding it. What you say is entirely different than how it works in Westeros, training etc. would happen of course, but tell me what does the second son of Royce, the most powerful house in the vale do? Those children, grandchildren would be following in their foot steps with their own personal skills, not like the weakling Caswells inheriting bitterbridge for generations but more like a second or third son of a powerful house at best. 21 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: The women would be dragged beyond the Wall bound and gagged and broken, one imagines. If they go back across the Wall at all. I mean, it seems obvious to me that raiding parties foraging for not only women but provisions as well might cross the Wall on their way south but would circumvent the Wall by boat or ship on the way back. In the west, for obvious geographical reasons. please don't bring this, I really don't want to discuss this part because it's incredibly stupid. Wildling climbs seven hundred feet of wall which is already dangerous, then goes to Last Hearth, grabs an Umber giantess manages to carry her back to the wall with days of travel and then manages to climb back up with her at his back? Really so terribly done that there is no logic of discussing whether such a girl beyond the wall can return home or not. If you really want an answer my answer is, if the wildling manages to pull of such thing, then the girl can walk back home, much easier. Going by boat etc. are also terrible explanations. A village gets raid and the surrounding ones would not immediately take action, lords hold known passes, skullbridge etc? 27 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: The stealing happens in front of everybody in a village when it is done in a friendly way, and it might eradicate a village if it done in an unfriendly way. In both cases the people who are concerned by this know it. A wedding can be larger and smaller but a necessary condition is that it happens publicly. Else people don't know that you are married - which means there is no point to the marriage at all. Friendly way would be what? If you mean single person doing it and not a band of raiders Ryk got his ear bit off by Munda, so not at all friendly like and risk of injury or death is still there. Do wildlings even have weddings? Once you are stolen it is at least known to your village and stealing persons. 31 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Craster broke his little daughter-wives of course - proving, yet again, that this is doable and is likely done by other wildlings, too. 12 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: It's been a long time but weren't the older ones helped Sam escape and killed some mutineers? 32 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Ygritte defends her culture there. She, too, doesn't want to be stolen by any man, just as she doesn't want to work with/for any man as her cutting her ties with Rattleshirt shows. She gives the ideology behind her culture there, but even she wouldn't want to be stolen by the likes of Ramsay or Chett. 9 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: Whether she wants to be stolen by such guys or not is entirely irrelevant, she has said it herself, if it's a cruel guy the wildling women would stab him. 34 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: I mean, honestly, breath mingling in cold winter air is a common phenomenon. It happens all the time when two people are standing next to each other outside at a cold day. So common it is only ever mentioned in the books how many times? Once in the first book and then in the last book two times, both in the chapters of the same PoV, chapters following each other of which the latter include a wedding and in the next chapter other marriage symbolisms. Val in all white like a bride, in her houses clothing, handed to Jon by a male member of her house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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