Do you guys think that the Iron Throne and the 7K as a single entity will survive the ending of the series?

[Lady Stonehearts Simp]

Do you think the 7 Kingdoms will stay together at the end after the war with the Others and perhaps Cersei or Euron?

 

Personally, I don’t. I’m not suggesting a “Westeros discovers democracy” ending nor do I want the abominations ending. But I expect multiple separate kingdoms at the end. The only way the 7K could stay whole at the end is if Daenerys survives and rules, Jon accepts his Targaryen lineage and rules, or somehow Young Griff makes it to the end.

I see the 7K breaking off into pieces, maybe not like it was before the Conquest, but not staying whole. I see the Trident going to the North, and possibly the Vale if Sansa becomes the powerhouse there I think she will. Iron Islands going independent again, or perhaps merging with the Northern Kingdom if Asha leads them. (King Jon x Queen Asha maybe?) The southern Kingdoms would be in disarray and what happens to them is less clear. They have no real loyalty to another kingdom, so they may split up individually again, but the Tyrells were never royalty so it could be hard for them to declare themselves such. The Lannisters will be in disarray so who knows who will lead them. I suspect Tyrion, which would ironic if Tyrion becomes King of the Westerlands considering how Tywin wanted Lannister royalty but hated Tyrion.  
 

I suspect the Stormlands will follow one of Robert’s bastards, likely Edric, and the Martells, if any survive would probably want to go back to being independent.

[Craving Peaches]

Seven Gods, Seven Kingdoms.

[Aebram]

"Prophecy will bite your prick off every time." (AFFC 45)  At this point in the story, I really have no idea how it will end.

I expect that the Battle for the Dawn will leave all seven kingdoms exhausted. Most will be too drained of resources to rebel; but if any do, Kings Landing will be too drained of resources to put down a rebellion.

Dorne may fare better than the rest, being farthest from the Wall, and also the farthest South. But if a Targaryen is sitting the Iron Throne, then Doran Martell's long, slow plan may have finally yielded some success, in which case they might stay loyal.

 

Edited March 6 by Aebram

[chrisdaw]

Yes it survives, maybe Dorne breaks away or something like that but ultimately it sticks together as the dominant political entity. It is the whole point, the game here isn't very subtle. A realm is stronger as one and it must unite to defeat a common existential foe. To unite a realm will require putting into practice the lessons being learnt by the protagonists in their character arcs and making great personal sacrifices. Jon's arc specifically requires he have the opportunity to take the crown and come to understand he has a claim, only to reject it for himself as he'd be too divisive a leader when the realm requires unity. Jon and his northern team will broker a deal with the south to put a king and queen on the throne everyone can accept, unite behind and fight for, and they'll remain king and queen until series end.

[Corvo the Crow]

8 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

Seven Gods, Seven Kingdoms.

Eight Regions and two don't follow seven. In fact nine regions if beyond the wall counts. Hmm... how many spikes did Robb's crown had, the crown that he passed off to Jon in his will?

Edited March 6 by Corvo the Crow

[Craving Peaches]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Eight Regions and two don't follow seven.

Yeah but one of them isn't a kingdom. Old Gods = Stranger. Beyond the Wall = Part of the North at the End. Fixed.

[astarkchoice]

Nope its daft its even stuck together this long anyway when you think about it

7 kingdoms 

Dorne , the vale and the north are virtualy impregnable when defended , the iron  islands  has a navy  that cannot normaly be subdued ubless vs their only equal ( redwyne fleet ) does do

The westerlands is so stupidly rich if allowed it can hire the vast swathes of sellswords in essos to defend itself , the reach is a virtual superpower...and so many regions have insanely hardncastles.

Overall minus dragons its next to impossible to conquer again!

[SeanF]

Like China, it would probably go through periods of unification and division.

[Corvo the Crow]

2 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Dorne , the vale and the north are virtualy impregnable when defended , the iron  islands  has a navy  that cannot normaly be subdued ubless vs their only equal ( redwyne fleet ) does do

 

Equal? Stannis gave them crashed them, their defeat is even more humiliating when you consider it was Stannis' first naval action ever and the fleet was only built a few years ago, so his crews would mostly be inexperienced in battle as well. He smashed them to bits. Stannis fights them in the land fights them in the seas, given dragons he'll fight them in the air as well.

I bet if he had dragons from a young age he would have given thought on the concept of airborne invasions.

[Rondo]

The most likely ending is a Westeros that is covered by winter.  The people who survived the attack of the White Walkers have already migrated to Essos.  The only thing left living in the North of Westeros are the Direwolves living off the dead and the birds who will also eat the dead.  

[astarkchoice]

46 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Equal? Stannis gave them crashed them, their defeat is even more humiliating when you consider it was Stannis' first naval action ever and the fleet was only built a few years ago, so his crews would mostly be inexperienced in battle as well. He smashed them to bits. Stannis fights them in the land fights them in the seas, given dragons he'll fight them in the air as well.

I bet if he had dragons from a young age he would have given thought on the concept of airborne invasions.

Roughly equal numbers is needed at sea and even then you have a hard siege to fight! 

Yeah but 0 battles at sea doesnt mean he wasnt ready for naval command the guy grew up in stormbreaker bay, was cold bloodedly meticulous in his training and research to fight and lead in battle as well as was lord ofndragonstone and master of ships for like 5-6 years before the battle! ..plus hes the fucking man!!

Yeah if stannis had dragons all of planetos would bow to him...and rightfully so

 

Overall my point is unless you have a crushing victory at sea then a brutal sige the iron born arent easily subdued , dorne  and vale even harder , the north semi impossible by land too (but not by sea interesting no one but ironborn tried that)  overall withou lt dragons you need the sort of overwhelming alliance robert had to hold the kingdoms together and getting that again  minus dragons seems slim!!!

 

Edited March 6 by astarkchoice

[Corvo the Crow]

2 hours ago, astarkchoice said:

Roughly equal numbers is needed at sea and even then you have a hard siege to fight! 

Yeah but 0 battles at sea doesnt mean he wasnt ready for naval command the guy grew up in stormbreaker bay, was cold bloodedly meticulous in his training and research to fight and lead in battle as well as was lord ofndragonstone and master of ships for like 5-6 years before the battle! ..plus hes the fucking man!!

Yeah if stannis had dragons all of planetos would bow to him...and rightfully so

 

Overall my point is unless you have a crushing victory at sea then a brutal sige the iron born arent easily subdued , dorne  and vale even harder , the north semi impossible by land too (but not by sea interesting no one but ironborn tried that)  overall withou lt dragons you need the sort of overwhelming alliance robert had to hold the kingdoms together and getting that again  minus dragons seems slim!!!

 

Trumpets will blow all around and knights will charge crying STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS!

[Neelio]

Defo think the 7k will survive, the whole point imo was to unite the 7k together by the end, and have a united Westeros with a ruling King and Council. As many have speculated, GRRM will probably take inspiration from the English Reformation and the making of a parliament. The idea that a King will be selected by great councils makes a lot of sense in that retrospect especially since we know King Bran is happening.

[astarkchoice]

9 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Trumpets will blow all around and knights will charge crying STANNIS STANNIS STANNIS!

Yep.it seems the gods are forcing stannis to play the game on hard mode just to give the other players a chance

[Corvo the Crow]

14 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Yep.it seems the gods are forcing stannis to play the game on hard mode just to give the other players a chance

Yep, they are too afraid he'll come for them next because of the deaths of his parents. A feeble attempt though, After killing the Great Other, Stannis is coming for the gods next.

[astarkchoice]

5 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Yep, they are too afraid he'll come for them next because of the deaths of his parents. A feeble attempt though, After killing the Great Other, Stannis is coming for the gods next.

Mel knows hes not the fire god messiah ...she just forsaw he lays pipe too good for any lady  like her to to resist!!! When his florent wife heard him proclaimed a godfigure she was like...yeah that adds up !! The shadow baby wasnt even interntional.stannis anger is so righteous it can physicaly manifest!!!

[Hugorfonics]

9 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

Yeah but one of them isn't a kingdom. Old Gods = Stranger. Beyond the Wall = Part of the North at the End. Fixed.

Dragonstone and the Crownlands?

 

4 hours ago, SeanF said:

Like China, it would probably go through periods of unification and division.

Kinda like Europe too, no? Roman, Holy Roman, European Union?

[John Suburbs]

19 hours ago, King Benedict Justman I said:

Do you think the 7 Kingdoms will stay together at the end after the war with the Others and perhaps Cersei or Euron?

 

Personally, I don’t. I’m not suggesting a “Westeros discovers democracy” ending nor do I want the abominations ending. But I expect multiple separate kingdoms at the end. The only way the 7K could stay whole at the end is if Daenerys survives and rules, Jon accepts his Targaryen lineage and rules, or somehow Young Griff makes it to the end.

I see the 7K breaking off into pieces, maybe not like it was before the Conquest, but not staying whole. I see the Trident going to the North, and possibly the Vale if Sansa becomes the powerhouse there I think she will. Iron Islands going independent again, or perhaps merging with the Northern Kingdom if Asha leads them. (King Jon x Queen Asha maybe?) The southern Kingdoms would be in disarray and what happens to them is less clear. They have no real loyalty to another kingdom, so they may split up individually again, but the Tyrells were never royalty so it could be hard for them to declare themselves such. The Lannisters will be in disarray so who knows who will lead them. I suspect Tyrion, which would ironic if Tyrion becomes King of the Westerlands considering how Tywin wanted Lannister royalty but hated Tyrion.  
 

I suspect the Stormlands will follow one of Robert’s bastards, likely Edric, and the Martells, if any survive would probably want to go back to being independent.

If the plan that Illyrio and Littlefinger have cooked up works out, then the realm will break apart -- with Illyrio dominating trade on the Narrow Sea following the collapse of the Iron Bank and the Braavosi economy, and Littlefinger controlling all of the key ports on the eastern side of Westeros.

[Craving Peaches]

1 hour ago, Hugorfonics said:

Dragonstone and the Crownlands?

None of them are kingdoms. Crownlands used to be part of other Kingdoms and Dragonstone is just a Lordship that isn't even part of mainland Westeros.

1 hour ago, Hugorfonics said:

Kinda like Europe too, no? Roman, Holy Roman, European Union?

HRE was only central Europe and EU and Roman Empire aren't really comparable.

[Hugorfonics]

57 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

None of them are kingdoms.

Well neither was Dorne

57 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

Crownlands used to be part of other Kingdoms

Yea but I don't know what back then has to do with now. And it was only 7ish kingdoms for a time, the exact number was always fluctuating 

58 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

Dragonstone is just a Lordship that isn't even part of mainland Westeros.

But they command worthwhile land and are seeped in Westerosi culture, like Ironborn.

59 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

HRE was only central Europe and EU and Roman Empire aren't really comparable

Well, at a time. They once owned Spain and it's American empire and with Hungary under their belt they owned Transylvania and other Romanian lands. So west and east too, over time. More division then unification no doubt.