Tradecraft Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Quote “Lyanna was beautiful,” Arya said, startled. Everybody said so. It was not a thing that was ever said of Arya. “She was,” Eddard Stark agreed, “beautiful, and willful, and dead before her time.” Arya, GOT Our author says people are dead when they are not. They "change" or transform and live a different life. Look at Sansa. She says she is "dead" but that's not what she truly means Quote Sansa wondered. Vainly, she searched for friendly faces. Not one of them would meet her eyes. It was as if she had become a ghost, dead before her time. -Sansa, GOT She means her life is different now. She's not the only one. Quote They were all in their graves now, the Sword of the Morning and the Smiling Knight, the White Bull and Prince Lewyn, Ser Oswell Whent with his black humor, earnest Jon Darry, Simon Toyne and his Kingswood Brotherhood, bluff old Sumner Crakehall. And me, that boy I was . . . when did he die, I wonder? - Jaime, ASOS Jaime says he "died". It's a curious metaphor. If he is "dead" could the others he listed be alive as well? Were constantly shown people who died reappear in the books; -Davos (fake executed by the manderlys) -Arya (commonly presumed dead without evidence, "taken in the back of the head" with an axe... Last line of her pov chapter!) -Possibly: Sandor Clegane as the gravedigger -Theon (presumed dead, returns as reek) Seven hells, the very first lines of the Game of Thrones Prologue asks us to question if someone is truly dead and asks for tangible proof to confirm deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Yes, she’s deader than Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I’m beginning to see why Canon Claude left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Yes, she's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 She's meat. I wonder if she's causing trouble all alone locked up with all of those old Kings of Winter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I think it is vital to the tragic backstory of the books that she is biologically dead. But I like to imagine that the spirits of Rickard, Brandon, Lyanna and now Ned are all at peace now and can rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Clegg Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 48 minutes ago, Tradecraft said: Were constantly shown people who died reappear in the books; Usually there is some kind of cost to ‘resurrection’ in the books. And it really is one of the central symbolic themes - to such an extent that I expect many examples of true body horror to feature in future characters ‘reappearances’. Catelyn’s transformation is more likely to the be way things go. Dark, macabre, Lovecraftian. Yum yum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: I think it is vital to the tragic backstory of the books that she is biologically dead. But I like to imagine that the spirits of Rickard, Brandon, Lyanna and now Ned are all at peace now and can rest. If we go by Theon's dream in aCoK, when sleeping in Ned's bed... they're not really at peace... but they are having a feast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, Sandy Clegg said: I expect many examples of true body horror to feature in future characters ‘reappearances’. Yesss...I would not mind if David Cronenberg himself has some input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 41 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said: I think it is vital to the tragic backstory of the books that she is biologically dead. But I like to imagine that the spirits of Rickard, Brandon, Lyanna and now Ned are all at peace now and can rest. They are feasting at Theon dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: They are feasting at Theon dreams. 16 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: If we go by Theon's dream in aCoK, when sleeping in Ned's bed... they're not really at peace... but they are having a feast True...Oh well. No peace even in Death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Craving Peaches said: True...Oh well. No peace even in Death... Alas, but serves as excellent evidence for readers that someone we didn't see die on page nor resurrected is indeed dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 1 minute ago, sweetsunray said: Alas, but serves as excellent evidence for readers that someone we didn't see die on page nor resurrected is indeed dead. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: Alas, but serves as excellent evidence for readers that someone we didn't see die on page nor resurrected is indeed dead. Or that someone who's missing isn't dead. Benjen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Just now, Corvo the Crow said: Or that someone who's missing isn't dead. Benjen. The raven seems to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Just now, sweetsunray said: The raven seems to disagree Explain please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Explain please. Quote "Yes," said Jon, "but . . . what if . . ." ". . . he's dead?" Mormont asked, not unkindly. Jon nodded, reluctantly. "Dead," the raven said. "Dead. Dead." "He may come to us anyway," the Old Bear said. "As Othor did, and Jafer Flowers. I dread that as much as you, Jon, but we must admit the possibility." "Dead," his raven cawed, ruffling its wings. Its voice grew louder and more shrill. "Dead." (aCoK, Jon IV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Floki of the Ironborn said: I’m beginning to see why Canon Claude left Who dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: I think it is vital to the tragic backstory of the books that she is biologically dead. But I like to imagine that the spirits of Rickard, Brandon, Lyanna and now Ned are all at peace now and can rest. I think there is a chance their spirits are in the crypts of Winterfell. Theory I’ve heard is the reason so many of the statues have swords is so when magic returns with the others, the statues of the Kings of Winter will come to life to defend the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Just now, King Benedict Justman I said: I think there is a chance their spirits are in the crypts of Winterfell. Theory I’ve heard is the reason so many of the statues have swords is so when magic returns with the others, the statues of the Kings of Winter will come to life to defend the realm. That's interesting. A lot of people seemed to think the swords were there to keep the Kings in their tombs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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