astarkchoice Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 13 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: Everyone in the area(slaver's bay) was brain dead long before Dany to be honest, especially the slaves. They have a slave population far outnumbering them and even arm them en masse and those armed slaves have not for once rebelled. I'm curious as to ratio of Rome's slave to free population that it got three servile wars and they didn't have slave armies like these Ghiscari. In Spartacus' war rural populace, former soldiers etc. joined too, not just slaves. To be fair We dont know if there havent been rebellions , most likely the non brainwashed(ie non unsulied) slave troops lot in life is prob better than even some free people hence few rebellions (some slave troops we see may be hastily raised though) Plus if there were any thoughts of rebellion we see the sheer massive forces that can come.to.bear quickly on any rebellion getting started! All of essos (bar bravos) is in on the trade! Youd have forces from the various city states around slavers bay ,new ghis legions , sellsword companies , any passing khalassar or slaving pirate forces , all the way back to quarth and the free cities!!! Mix in assasin cults (from magic to plain) and gladiators for sale to help.quash guerilla movements! Edited March 8 by astarkchoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Lack of Northern navy at Sunset Sea and existence of Ironborn. After all IB had raided Western parts of the North thousands of years and Starks had done nothing to eliminate that threat. Another annoying thing is that people who want to gain riches and sex slaves invaded huge swamp without any gold or women instead of major city like Lannisport. Corvo the Crow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The magically respawning Northern army is an issue for me as well. Also I don’t hate that Stannis showed up at the Wall, but felt it happened too quickly to make sense. Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 On 3/7/2023 at 5:53 PM, Corvo the Crow said: Yeah, why didn't those troops aid Robb in the first place? I'm getting the feeling those hill clansmen aren't as First Man as they claim, not supporting their liege but supporting a foreigner who burns the Old Gods. Wasnt it supposed to be they are spread out over the wastelands and it takes time to smooze and assemble them? Time robb didnt have Plus thinking of a simple soluution we can assume.none of these hillbillies has a maester and thus is out of the 'ravemail' system to be contacted for quick assembly It is true though that it doesnt make sensw that robb didnt send a few riders to begin assembling them though for use later in his campaign! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 Just now, astarkchoice said: Wasnt it supposed to be they are spread out over the wastelands and it takes time to smooze and assemble them? Time robb didnt have Plus thinking of a simple soluution we can assume.none of these hillbillies has a maester and thus is out of the 'ravemail' system to be contacted for quick assembly It is true though that it doesnt make sensw that robb didnt send a few riders to begin assembling them though for use later in his campaign! There are "two score" hill clans and several of the bigger ones have their maesters we have mentions of answers from them or ravens sent to them. They are not well equipped but after the first battle or two it is not even relevant, they can loot the enemy corpses. Not gathering in time is also no excuse, a second gathering can be done after some time though there's mention of if Robb needs more troops then he'll ask. Still feels cheap that mountains spat out men when Stannis needs, Dany getting "men" when she needs, Tywin getting Tyrell alliance immediately after getting his ass handed to him by Edmure etc. Craving Peaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: There are "two score" hill clans and several of the bigger ones have their maesters we have mentions of answers from them or ravens sent to them. They are not well equipped but after the first battle or two it is not even relevant, they can loot the enemy corpses. Not gathering in time is also no excuse, a second gathering can be done after some time though there's mention of if Robb needs more troops then he'll ask. Still feels cheap that mountains spat out men when Stannis needs, Dany getting "men" when she needs, Tywin getting Tyrell alliance immediately after getting his ass handed to him by Edmure etc. Edit Yeah iv seen now some do have ravens and many joined robb some even dying at the red wedding. Edited March 8 by astarkchoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 Just now, astarkchoice said: Was there? I must have missed that Yeah id say assuming the full strength of the north might be needed in future woulda made more sense for robb Yes. You can search the Jon chapters it was either Maester Aemon sending letters for the defense of wall or Stannis sending letters demanding support astarkchoice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 3/7/2023 at 12:36 PM, Craving Peaches said: Tyrion, Tywin, Stannis et al plot armour. Tywin gets so lucky, Tyrion has the thickest plot armour in the series followed closely by LF, and Stannis has deus ex machina to aid him and has troops spawn out of thin air. If Stannis needed to have more troops just have him lose slightly fewer in the Blackwater rather than granting him magical northern troops spat out from the hills. At least the show made it funny when plot armor was applied (Tyrion gets conked on the head and sleeps through the Battle of the Green Fork)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 19 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: At least the show made it funny when plot armor was applied (Tyrion gets conked on the head and sleeps through the Battle of the Green Fork)... Yes, funny indeed. In the sense that Robb's Northmen are even more fanatical than Stannis' religious zealots that they agree to die, going 2000 against 20000 and Tywin being so damn stupid that he can't judge the size of a 2000 men army and not think anything is amiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jikm Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 When I was reading it, I remember being put off by the amount of people referenced because I never knew how to remember this and that and this again. It was a large read and I am still fathoming how there could be so many characters with a story each. He built an amazing world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 19 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: Yes, funny indeed. In the sense that Robb's Northmen are even more fanatical than Stannis' religious zealots that they agree to die, going 2000 against 20000 and Tywin being so damn stupid that he can't judge the size of a 2000 men army and not think anything is amiss. Actually in books during Battle of Green fork TF Bolton had almost as many men than TF Lannister. But most Northmen were infantry and so they had more infantrymen than their enemies. But they only had couple hundred horsemen. When Westermen had over 9000 cavalrymen. Edited March 10 by Loose Bolt typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Loose Bolt said: Actually in books during Battle of Green fork TF Bolton had almost as many men than TF Lannister. But most Northmen were infantry and so they had more infantrymen than their enemies. But they only had couple hundred horsemen. When Westermen had over 9000 cavalrymen. Yes and Roose even took Tywin unawares, but GRRM not knowing numbers(talking about Tywin's camp size and the speed of men gathering), Gregor's impossibly massive horse breaking the Northern lines etc. caused him to lose battle more than lack of cavalry. Seriously Roose goes unnoticed by Tywin's outriders to the point they are too close to them. He could've used his small cavalry contingent quite effectively, sending them ahead to cause confusion. Edited March 10 by Corvo the Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Yes and Roose even took Tywin unawares, but GRRM not knowing numbers(talking about Tywin's camp size and the speed of men gathering), Gregor's impossibly massive horse breaking the Northern lines etc. caused him to lose battle more than lack of cavalry. Seriously Roose goes unnoticed by Tywin's outriders to the point they are too close to them. He could've used his small cavalry contingent quite effectively, sending them ahead to cause confusion. Yea Gregor rushing at the spear wall. Getting stabbed several times and then getting up like he’s just fine. George loves giving The Mountain as much plot armor as possible, for some daft reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 15 hours ago, sifth said: Yea Gregor rushing at the spear wall. Getting stabbed several times and then getting up like he’s just fine. George loves giving The Mountain as much plot armor as possible, for some daft reason. Didnt it say they were sticking out of him? Now on the flipside he is supposed to be wearing heavy pate with mail and thick boiled leather under it so it could be plausible that the spears just about penetrste the plate and break off with the impact but arent enough to go through both the chainmail and boiled leather underneath,or bot deeply enough to trouble a giant doped up on poppy based pain meds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 4 hours ago, astarkchoice said: Didnt it say they were sticking out of him? Now on the flipside he is supposed to be wearing heavy pate with mail and thick boiled leather under it so it could be plausible that the spears just about penetrste the plate and break off with the impact but arent enough to go through both the chainmail and boiled leather underneath,or bot deeply enough to trouble a giant doped up on poppy based pain meds! As far as I know chainmail is just for exposed joint areas, they don't wear chainmail under, but Gregor may very well do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: As far as I know chainmail is just for exposed joint areas, they don't wear chainmail under, but Gregor may very well do. It says he does...although it would be heavy as feck and hed prob sweat to death walking up a slight incline in it if he was real Edited March 11 by astarkchoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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