Corvo the Crow Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: That's true.. I really wish that I could theorize on Benjen because he doesn't seem to be dead, he doesn't seem to be -and also proven not to be- CH but what the hell is he doing? He didn't return a wight so not killed by Others, he wasn't killed by Wildlings or else it would be all the talk, so where is the guy, what is he even doing? Could we see him headed to Hardhome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Is that the best you can do? Because seriously, that's not even an argument. Yes, the whole point is that not seeing a crossbow bolt in a prophetic dream is really not being an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Yes, the whole point is that not seeing a crossbow bolt in a prophetic dream is really not being an argument. And my point when I brought up the crossbow bolt was that Theon in his dream sees Robert w/ his guts spilling out and Ned w/o a head, he sees Mikken dripping blood and Chayle dripping water; just as they died. And yet misses the mark completely irt Robb and Grey Wind, b/c he sees both bleeding from "half a hundred savage wounds" and we know neither died like that. The description given to Robb and GW in his dream seems much more suggestive of battle wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I subscribe to all of the conventional ones. But what are the craziest ones that I am tentatively amenable to? I love Moon Meteor theory, but would add that the cataclysm was caused by weirwood psy magic, in a skirmish among warring weir-factions. The Shade of the Evening used to be something like a weirwood, but it was corrupted and nearly killed by the cataclysm that brought the Long Night. The Others are guarding something related to a weirwood, in the Heart of Winter. But with icy blood, adapted to the extreme cold. Within the furnaces of the world, such as the Fourteen Flames, there is something related to a weirwood. But with fiery blood, adapted to the extreme heat. Dragons were made by interbreeding the wyrms with wyverns. Dragon riders are humans blood-bonded to the same magical fiery source. All the talk of krakens is actually a weirwood thing emerging from the depths of the ocean, perhaps animated by blood sacrifice. Just as the Others are white walkers of the wintry wood, the Green Men are walkers for Team Green. They are walking tree creatures. Possibly the mobile males to the immobile female queen, like in GRRM's older story Sandkings. The Mad Mouse is Howland, beeyotch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: At the very least we know that Wights retain their memory, so if he was dead at the hands of the Others, he would've wightified and returned to CB like the men under his command. If he was killed by some Wildling, then it'd be talked about, the guy was First Ranger of the Watch for Old God's sake. Their memories fade as Beric bemoans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: And my point when I brought up the crossbow bolt was that Theon in his dream sees Robert w/ his guts spilling out and Ned w/o a head, he sees Mikken dripping blood and Chayle dripping water; just as they died. And yet misses the mark completely irt Robb and Grey Wind, b/c he sees both bleeding from "half a hundred savage wounds" and we know neither died like that. The description given to Robb and GW in his dream seems much more suggestive of battle wounds. With eye colors and hip sizes of people changing in a world with no colored lenses or plastic surgery, I'm sure we can give a pass to wound details between two books that were released 4 years apart. Quote But there were others with faces he had never known in life, faces he had seen only in stone. The slim, sad girl who wore a crown of pale blue roses and a white gown spattered with gore could only be Lyanna. Her brother Brandon stood beside her, and their father Lord Rickard just behind. Along the walls figures half-seen moved through the shadows, pale shades with long grim faces. The sight of them sent fear shivering through Theon sharp as a knife. And then the tall doors opened with a crash, and a freezing gale blew down the hall, and Robb came walking out of the night. Grey Wind stalked beside, eyes burning, and man and wolf alike bled from half a hundred savage wounds. Why would Theon even think of her in a white gown spattered with gore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, Phylum of Alexandria said: The Mad Mouse is Howland, beeyotch! i worship this theory tbh. I accept it as truth and treat it like it's gospel. 37 minutes ago, Phylum of Alexandria said: I love Moon Meteor theory, but would add that the cataclysm was caused by weirwood psy magic, in a skirmish among warring weir-factions. I've never heard of this one though! Do you recommend any specific essays that go into this? I'd like to read about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phylum of Alexandria Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ser Arthurs Dawn said: I've never heard of this one though! Do you recommend any specific essays that go into this? I'd like to read about it. Never heard of Moon Meteor Theory? If not, this theory comes from David Lightbringer (formerly known as Lucifer Means Lightbringer). Here's a video for anyone those curious: If you specifically mean that you've never heard of the weirwood magic spin on Moon Meteor Theory...well, that's just my own take on it. Based on passages that implicate weirwoods grabbing at moons and other astral bodies, symbolic language about female giants launching boulders and antler men, the hammer of the waters and similar flooding and "walls of water" peppered throughout TWOIAF, the strong Garth imagery in both Stannis and Renly in the shadow death, the fact that the Grey King brought fire to the world by tricking the Storm God, and other such clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthurs Dawn Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, Phylum of Alexandria said: Never heard of Moon Meteor Theory? If not, this theory comes from David Lightbringer (formerly known as Lucifer Means Lightbringer). Here's a video for anyone those curious: If you specifically mean that you've never heard of the weirwood magic spin on Moon Meteor Theory...well, that's just my own take on it. Based on passages that implicate weirwoods grabbing at moons and other astral bodies, symbolic language about female giants launching boulders and antler men, the hammer of the waters and similar flooding and "walls of water" peppered throughout TWOIAF, the strong Garth imagery in both Stannis and Renly in the shadow death, the fact that the Grey King brought fire to the world by tricking the Storm God, and other such clues. Awesome, thank you!! Work is so slow today, this will help pass the time ♥ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Black Walder killed his grandfather Stevron after the battle of the Oxcross, Big Walder killed Little Walder. Sandor Clegane is the grave gravedigger. Barbrey Dustin and Mors Umber are part of the Northern Conspiracy. Tywin is the Hand who built the secret tunnel to see whores without being viewed in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Curled Finger said: Their memories fade as Beric bemoans. Yes, to the point that they remember the quarters of their sworn brothers but don't remember them being friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Regarding the OP, most of the theories I subscribe to are, believe or not, hugely controversial. Off the top of my head: - Bloodraven is the 3EC - Daario is Daario and no one else - Euron is Euron and no one else - Mance is Mance and no one else - Ramsay wrote the Pink Letter - Jon isn't dead - We'll see Bran doing more human skinchanging - Jaime will lead the BwB - Arya will return to Westeros wearing a different face - Old Nan is very often wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 minute ago, kissdbyfire said: Regarding the OP, most of the theories I subscribe to are, believe or not, hugely controversial. Off the top of my head: - Bloodraven is the 3EC - Daario is Daario and no one else - Euron is Euron and no one else - Mance is Mance and no one else - Ramsay wrote the Pink Letter - Jon isn't dead - We'll see Bran doing more human skinchanging - Jaime will lead the BwB - Arya will return to Westeros wearing a different face - Old Nan is very often wrong Euron being Euron is one thing, but Daario being Daario, one must make a boundary where crackpottery starts. I'll wager you don't believe Manderly is a merling either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Euron being Euron is one thing, but Daario being Daario, one must make a boundary where crackpottery starts. I'll wager you don't believe Manderly is a merling either. Forgot to add that one to the list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Robert Strong has Robb’s head on his shoulders. The three lies that must be slain are Stannis, Aegon, and Jon. The Redstone Emperor is Mellissandre’s ancestor. Daenerys, Aegon the Conqueror, Azor Ahai, and Daenys are the same soul reincarnated all through time. Jon, Night’s King, and Craster are all Starks. The Boltons are aware of the Starks’ magical abilities. Skinning enemies is their way to counter the Starks. Bran will stab Bloodraven in the back to become the head villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Regarding the OP, most of the theories I subscribe to are, believe or not, hugely controversial. Off the top of my head: - Bloodraven is the 3EC - Old Nan is very often wrong I like your style! What I believe; Sandor is the Gravedigger RLJ is true, I guess Jon Snow is not dead Bowen Marsh will soon be really most sincerely dead ***** What I don't believe; Benjen is Cold Hands, nope The Mad Mouse in NOT Howland Reed, also, neither is Sandor Clegane or the Elder Brother disguised as knights at the Vale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alester Florent Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I basically don't believe any theories that revolve around involvement of the Faceless Men, with the exception of the basically-known Citadel plot. Obviously they exist, but I don't think they are in play as a faction with a meaningful agenda, nor that anyone has secret contracts with them to do xyz in favour of any of the factions we know about. I do however believe that Sandor and Gregor Clegane are brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Alester Florent said: I do however believe that Sandor and Gregor Clegane are brothers. Dude! You been smokin' too much of that wacky tobaccy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said: Forgot to add that one to the list! So you agree as every sensible person that Howland Reed is Actually Shadrich who is doing some High Sparrowship as a personal hobby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 45 minutes ago, LongRider said: I like your style! What I believe; Sandor is the Gravedigger RLJ is true, I guess Jon Snow is not dead Bowen Marsh will soon be really most sincerely dead ***** What I don't believe; Benjen is Cold Hands, nope The Mad Mouse in NOT Howland Reed, also, neither is Sandor Clegane or the Elder Brother disguised as knights at the Vale I like your picks too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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