Corvo the Crow Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 minutes ago, Aldarion said: For example, yes, there were slave soldiers: Mamluks, Janissaries, and some others. But they were never marched under whips, they were never sold abroad, and had a very high status. In some cases (Janissaries), they even took the government. Unsullied are a combination of worst tropes about Spartans and worst tropes about slave soldiers, a combination that simply doesn't work if given any thought at all. So I'm rather worried about how Martin will balance the mess he made of Essosi armies to relatively well done Westerosi forces. 1 hour ago, SeanF said: Mameluks also took the government or rather, instead of taking the government they did it one better and took the entire state, there were two Mamluk dynasties, first a Turkic one and then a Circassian one. Also I'm not sure if saying that Jannissaries took the government would be correct because many officials came from the same background, Janissaries was just the ones who were sent to the military part. Could the Janissaries even be called slaves, I'm not sure. It was a sort of blood tax so it can be called slavery but definitely not in the sense what many people would understand when they hear the word slavers. They weren't sold(Mamluks were bought by their owners), they were able to go back where they came(at least after when they retired, I remember at least one minor greek muslim ethic group that trace their origin to two retired Janissaries returning to their home village), they revolted several times to keep the institution in place when Sultans tried to disestablish it and I recall reading at least one rebellion by not the Janissaries themselves but the non-muslim population that wanted to keep the system going, because the sons that were taken could end up becoming very influential figures, even as soldiers they had better lives than they could otherwise have hoped for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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