sweetsunray Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This is an oddity that simply sticks out like a sore thumb. So, on the one hand we are told that "knights" are an Andal invention. But then one of the 7 aspects of the one true Andal god is referred to as the Warrior. This raises the question whether knighthood and the title of "ser" is truly an Andal invention. Clearly, the Andals did not have knights or sers in their ancient and lost Andalos, or they would have referred to the aspect the Warrior as "the Knight" at some point. Couple this with some heroes of a pre-Andal period being referred to as Ser (the title for a knight) or called a knight in songs and stories. Serwyn of the Mirror Shield for example is said to have been a knight of Garth the Green, and his name might just as well be "Ser win". Or a man such as Rodrik Cassel who is a northerner and served House Stark all of his life. Unlike Jorah we have no tale or explanation why Rodrik Cassel is referred to as Ser Rodrik Cassel in a region where it's said there are no "knights" only "warriors". It's not as if First Men truly require someone to explain to them what a knight is expected to be. Is it possible that the title "ser" and the "knight" concept was actually a First Men concept, which was culturally appropriated by Andals and then stolen with the claim that only those annointed by a septon with the oils of the 7 could call themselves "knights"? Or is there another explanation? A few potential etymological words and concepts to keep in the back of our minds The word "knight" etymologically in our world stems from the word "knecht" which means servant. The Old English cniht also means servant, but also boy or youth and lad. "ser" comes from the Latin "to be" In our history, the honorary title for a knight is "sir", from "sire", in which we have the verb "to sire" (to father), but originates from the French -sieur from the full word "monsieur", which means my lord. Sir or Sire is an abbreviation of monsieur, dropping the "my" (mon-). Sire or sir is also tied to an "elderly man of importance". Is this why George uses the spelling of "ser" instead of "sir", as an abbreviation of servant, thereby keeping it closer to the meaning of knecht? The french word for a knight is "chevalier" from which the English "chivalry" stems from, and it means a mounted/horse riding soldier/warrior. The Dutch or German word for a knight is ridder or ritter, which derives from (horse) "rider". "wyn" in Serwyn derives from the Old English rune "w" (wynn) and means joy or happiness. It has several meanings: to win, be a champion, but also wine, and is also associated to the Welsh Gwyn, which means white. In Frissian it's tied to the meaning of wind. So, I'm sure you might have some ideas on how this could relate to the sore thumb I mentioned, but also the Knight of the Laughing Tree, Serwyn who ends up being conflated with the white kingsguards, or the Winged Knight (not to be confused with Artys Arryn) who didn't ride a horse as much as he rode the wind via a falcon. Curled Finger, Springwatch, Hugorfonics and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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