nik854866 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I think in the books arthur dayne didnt die and neds men did so secret doesnt get out about who was born there also it is said jon was born after sack of kings landing so his birth at tower of joy makes no sense . Tradecraft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Eddard thinks: Martyn Cassel had perished with the rest. Ned had pulled the tower down afterward, and used its bloody stones to build eight cairns upon the ridge. It was said that Rhaegar had named that place the tower of joy, but for Ned it was a bitter memory. They had been seven against three, yet only two had lived to ride away; Eddard Stark himself and the little crannogman, Howland Reed. And the fight at the Tower of Joy obviously took place after the Sack of King's Landing (it's even referenced in the initial exchange between Ned and the KG trio). Tradecraft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik854866 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 But that was a fever dream those shouldnt be taken literally Tradecraft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 49 minutes ago, nik854866 said: But that was a fever dream those shouldnt be taken literally The lines The hairy bear cited don't come from the dream, but are Ned's thoughts when he speaks with Alyn about Jory's death. Xander Baratheon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik854866 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said: The lines The hairy bear cited don't come from the dream, but are Ned's thoughts when he speaks with Alyn about Jory's death. Things could have happened differently maybe howland reed knows what really happened Lady Isis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, nik854866 said: maybe howland reed knows what really happened As Howland is one of the two who "lived to ride away", he definitely knows what happened. Doesn't change the fact that Ned thinks the others died, though. Xander Baratheon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZ Bloodraven Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 On 3/15/2023 at 9:12 AM, nik854866 said: I think in the books arthur dayne didnt die and neds men did so secret doesnt get out about who was born there also it is said jon was born after sack of kings landing so his birth at tower of joy makes no sense . Arthur Dayne sacrificed himself for his prince and his prince's child: if this is changed, a ton (a ton) of meaning is lost, for Howland, Ashara, Arthur, Dany, Aerys, Ned, Brandon, Meera Jojen and Bran, Arianne Elia Doran Oberyn, Aegon VI Jon Con Barristan Varys, Robert and Tywin and Jaime, Mace and Stannis, and of course Jon Rhaegar and Lyanna. Jon needs to be Rhaegar and Lyanna's son. Ned being with the woman who had the baby starting after he went to Storm's End and before he arrived at Starfall means the baby was at the Tower of Joy. Xander Baratheon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik854866 Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) i beleive what we see in the show will not be the same in the books Edited March 26, 2023 by nik854866 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerodimas Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I like the idea about the KG haveing Lyana in other place and plan a metting with Ned in the ToJ. Xander Baratheon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerodimas Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Maybe Starfall or Winterfall if we get tinfoily. Xander Baratheon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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