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Mushroom is an interesting source to cite in a history book.  Forget the fact that Rhaenyra is supposed to have been stricken from being named queen in the histories.  Gotta ask yourself why Mushroom?  He says the most inflammatory lascivious things every time.  Until the very end where even a thick headed castle wall such as me can see how much he loved Rhaenyra.  I don't think he just realized that at the end when she was gone.  I think he always loved her deeply.  Armed with this information I try to go back and read his scathing statements with that in mind.  What is he trying to paint Rhaenyra as when he insinuates she took seduction lessons in order to nail Criston Cole?  (Misguided innocence? True Love?)  What is he trying to do for Rhaenyra when he hints that Daemon may have taken Alicent's maidenhead? (More misguided innocence?  Alicent has no virtue?) 

Among the strangest claims Mushroom makes is that he partook in the seduction lessons.  That made my head spin...until I realized his great love for Rhaenyra.  I doubt it happened, but I bet he watched and wished he was part of the training.  And not in any particularly unsavory way, either.  I think it was a simple case of wanting a fully fleshed out (fantasy of) love in Mushroom's case with Rhaenyra.  She may not have been the Realm's Delight her entire life.  But she was definitely Mushroom's.  

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Most of the Mushroom stuff is indeed nonsense. It is most obvious when his version would mean that people would have acted quite differently prior to and after the events that allegedly took place.

Some of Mushroom's conclusions and theories might be accurate, though. Like his take on the true parentage of the Hull boys (which isn't something he says he witnessed or was a part of, but rather something he figured out using his brains).

50 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

What is he trying to do for Rhaenyra when he hints that Daemon may have taken Alicent's maidenhead? (More misguided innocence?  Alicent has no virtue?) 

That tidbit was only in TRP and didn't find its way into FaB, so Mushroom never actually said that.

It certainly stands to reason that Rhaenyra was Mushroom's favorite royal (of the court of Viserys I and then during the Dance) since he lived with her on Dragonstone, but I'm not sure that this figured all that much into the stories he later told that scribe. It was years or decades later, and he was likely paid good coin for telling really fun and tantalizing and scandalous stories. So his need for coin and fame might have played more into all that than whatever old feelings he may have yet for any long-dead Targaryens. Even more since Mushroom did actually not like Rhaenyra's son Aegon III all that much - which caused him to leave KL and may have actually resulted in his career taking many unpleasant twists and turns.

Especially in the case of famous stories like the thing between Rhaenyra and Criston Cole you see Mushroom really went out of his way to give that another, even more ridiculous spin. We know from the AFfC that the story about their secret affair/romance has been passed down to Arianne and Arys Oakheart in yet other versions than the ones given by Gyldayn. People know about it from other sources than Mushroom, meaning this was likely a well-known rumor when Mushroom told his tales.

You also have the sensationalist angle with the death of Beesbury. If other people tell it differently, then Mushroom has to add more gore.

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4 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Most of the Mushroom stuff is indeed nonsense. It is most obvious when his version would mean that people would have acted quite differently prior to and after the events that allegedly took place.

Some of Mushroom's conclusions and theories might be accurate, though. Like his take on the true parentage of the Hull boys (which isn't something he says he witnessed or was a part of, but rather something he figured out using his brains).

That tidbit was only in TRP and didn't find its way into FaB, so Mushroom never actually said that.

It certainly stands to reason that Rhaenyra was Mushroom's favorite royal (of the court of Viserys I and then during the Dance) since he lived with her on Dragonstone, but I'm not sure that this figured all that much into the stories he later told that scribe. It was years or decades later, and he was likely paid good coin for telling really fun and tantalizing and scandalous stories. So his need for coin and fame might have played more into all that than whatever old feelings he may have yet for any long-dead Targaryens. Even more since Mushroom did actually not like Rhaenyra's son Aegon III all that much - which caused him to leave KL and may have actually resulted in his career taking many unpleasant twists and turns.

 

All true, and yah, it's so easy to forget what happened in which story and made it where.  A thousand pardons.  Another thing that occurred to me post script was that Mushroom may have been purposefully muddying waters to protect Rhaenyra in some weird misguided way.  I was thinking about Jace's trip to the Vale, The Sisters and Winterfell.  Starts with that preposterous bit with Jane Arryn, a quiet win in the Sisters then utter chaos in Winterfell, at least according to Mushroom.  We get in all after the fact but I wonder if Mushroom was coming up with all of this as raven poured in.  Raven 1:  Dear Mom, Lord Cregan is a jerk and doesn't like me.  This is a weird place, but beautiful country.  They have hot springs Vermax sticks close to.  How do you feel about marrying the baby off?  Do you need another lady in waiting by chance?  I'm stuck here a while.  Love you lots.  

The council deflates so Mushroom begins a spin campaign of his own and starts the Sara Snow rumor making the talks in the north appear to be going far better than they are.  Or the clutch rumor intimating a sort of northern base because the Blacks are so tight with the Winterfell.  

I get that Mushroom was a fool.  But maybe he wasn't stupid is all I'm getting to. 

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9 minutes ago, King Maegor the Cool said:

I just think it’s pointless to include him if NOTHING he said was true

As I said, most of his stories are funny tales that are likely not true. They are there to entertain, like, say, the one about Jace and Jeyne Arryn or the one about himself trying to mount Silverwing. And everything that features his member we cannot really take seriously.

The instances where I'd take him at his word are actually very few. Many things he says are also kind of irrelevant - I mean, yes, perhaps his description of baby Visenya is accurate ... or perhaps not. We cannot know.

@Curled Finger

If you want you can view Mushroom's story about Daemon not deflowering Rhaenyra but merely helping her to try and seduce Criston Cole as him kind of defending her honor since the crucial thing is her maidenhead and not how much porn she watched or how much petting she did.

But then - he also claimed that he found her and Harwin Strong together after he had taken her maidenhead, so there is not much defence there.

Gyldayn claims that Mushroom liked Rhaenyra well and Septon Eustace didn't - but I actually don't think the stories of both Gyldayn gives us properly reflect that. Eustace likes to foreshadow Rhaenyra's doom with his cutting stories and he mocks her for her girth and eating habits, but aside from that he seems to be pretty fair to her. Mushroom on the other hand completely destroys her reputation with his tales about her obsession with Criston Cole, her later affairs and the parentage of her elder sons. Not to mention the tale about the brothel queens he spins. If that indicates him liking her then I don't want to know what Mushroom says about somebody he loathed.

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1 minute ago, Lord Varys said:

As I said, most of his stories are funny tales that are likely not true. They are there to entertain, like, say, the one about Jace and Jeyne Arryn or the one about himself trying to mount Silverwing. And everything that features his member we cannot really take seriously.

The instances where I'd take him at his word are actually very few. Many things he says are also kind of irrelevant - I mean, yes, perhaps his description of baby Visenya is accurate ... or perhaps not. We cannot know.

@Curled Finger

If you want you can view Mushroom's story about Daemon not deflowering Rhaenyra but merely helping her to try and seduce Criston Cole as him kind of defending her honor since the crucial thing is her maidenhead and not how much porn she watched or how much petting she did.

But then - he also claimed that he found her and Harwin Strong together after he had taken her maidenhead, so there is not much defence there.

Gyldayn claims that Mushroom liked Rhaenyra well and Septon Eustace didn't - but I actually don't think the stories of both Gyldayn gives us properly reflect that. Eustace likes to foreshadow Rhaenyra's doom with his cutting stories and he mocks her for her girth and eating habits, but aside from that he seems to be pretty fair to her. Mushroom on the other hand completely destroys her reputation with his tales about her obsession with Criston Cole, her later affairs and the parentage of her elder sons. Not to mention the tale about the brothel queens he spins. If that indicates him liking her then I don't want to know what Mushroom says about somebody he loathed.

Yeah the Brothel Queens story made no sense to me. Like I can’t imagine her being that cruel

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1 hour ago, Curled Finger said:

 Gotta ask yourself why Mushroom?  He says the most inflammatory lascivious things every time. 

Side note: I love this word but I don't know anyone who can pronounce it correctly, including me.

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16 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

As I said, most of his stories are funny tales that are likely not true. They are there to entertain, like, say, the one about Jace and Jeyne Arryn or the one about himself trying to mount Silverwing. And everything that features his member we cannot really take seriously.

The instances where I'd take him at his word are actually very few. Many things he says are also kind of irrelevant - I mean, yes, perhaps his description of baby Visenya is accurate ... or perhaps not. We cannot know.

@Curled Finger

If you want you can view Mushroom's story about Daemon not deflowering Rhaenyra but merely helping her to try and seduce Criston Cole as him kind of defending her honor since the crucial thing is her maidenhead and not how much porn she watched or how much petting she did.

But then - he also claimed that he found her and Harwin Strong together after he had taken her maidenhead, so there is not much defence there.

Gyldayn claims that Mushroom liked Rhaenyra well and Septon Eustace didn't - but I actually don't think the stories of both Gyldayn gives us properly reflect that. Eustace likes to foreshadow Rhaenyra's doom with his cutting stories and he mocks her for her girth and eating habits, but aside from that he seems to be pretty fair to her. Mushroom on the other hand completely destroys her reputation with his tales about her obsession with Criston Cole, her later affairs and the parentage of her elder sons. Not to mention the tale about the brothel queens he spins. If that indicates him liking her then I don't want to know what Mushroom says about somebody he loathed.

Maybe Mushroom was as mad as all the players involved, too, Ser.  I find his comments an interesting addition to a very dark historical recounting.  This makes him rather singular and multifaceted to me.  As I am fond of saying the stories strike us all at different places.  I'm not trying to argue Mushroom's actual stance on anything here, only bring what I thought his take could have been.  This brothel queens thing being Mysaria's great idea, might have been spread to show how merciful Rhaenyra was for not following advice.  As in most things Martin, we don't get all the whole story.  Or maybe it's written so that we may make our own inferences.  Eustace and Gyldayn aren't particularly interested in telling a complete story.   

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Mushroom's book seems to be less a history and more a collection of fancyful anecdotes and tales. Eustace, Munkun, and eventually Gyldayn actually wrote plotted histories. While Eustace's work 'The Reign of King Viserys, the First of His Name, and the Dance of the Dragons That Came After' also focused on and/or included court gossip and 'secret/private history elements' it was still a detailed history of the reign of Viserys I and the subsequent Dance, meaning it was a work of some substance.

Mushroom's book, on the other hand, is titled 'The Testimony of Mushroom' and genre-wise would be more akin to Coryanne Wylde's 'A Caution for Young Girls' than a proper history since it clearly doesn't claim to tell the history of the reign of Viserys I or the Dance of the Dragons but is rather a kind of biography of Mushroom. The book doesn't end when Mushroom leaves court in 136 AC - it continues with Mushroom's other ribald exploits - like Coryanne Wylde's book covers not only her time with Jaehaerys and Alysanne on Dragonstone but also her later life in Essos.

While we don't have as detailed a textual history on the Testimony as we have for Coryanne's book ... we certainly are entitled to doubt the accuracy of the copies that remain. King Baelor the Blessed had the book burned, so apparently only a few copies remain, and most likely no originals. But like with Coryanne's book the original scribe of Mushroom's Testimony wouldn't have been a septon nor a maester but some mummer or other scribe-for-hire, possibly even in Essos where Mushroom spent his later life.

The chances that this book was accurately copied thereafter and not enlarged and changed like the copies of Coryanne's book were is not all that likely. That is - if we can actually be sure that the original manuscript actually contains Mushroom's own words and does not merely claim it does. After all, the book was not written by him, possibly because the guy was illiterate.

In any case, while we can expect that Eustace and especially Munkun's book do have a clear narrative structure, a plot, and perhaps even a methodology of sorts, I'd expect Mushroom's book to just contain a succession of anecdotes and ribald stories, perhaps not even in chronological order.

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GRRM has confirmed that Harwin did indeed father Rhaenyra's first three children:

https://wikiofthrones.com/george-r-r-martin-would-love-to-do-a-novella-about-rhaenyra-and-harwin-strong-and-their-relationship

Mushroom is the only source to outright say that was the case:

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The whispering began again. Amongst the greens, it was an article of faith that the father of Rhaenyra’s sons was not her husband, Laenor, but her champion, Harwin Strong. Mushroom says as much in his Testimony and Grand Maester Mellos hints at it, whilst Septon Eustace raises the rumors only to dismiss them

The question of whether or not we could believe Mushroom on this topic has been debated here before:

 

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On 3/19/2023 at 12:22 AM, King Maegor the Cool said:

I know Fire & Blood is meant to be unreliable but for it to have merit some of it needs to be right. And I doubt everything Mushroom said is wrong or an outright lie

I would say 90% of what Mushroom says is full truth or partial truth. 10% is just jokes. None of it is historically rigorous, and he has an obvious bias for Rhaenyra, but he was there for more of it than the other two (and honestly much less biased than Eustace). Maybe I like him because he was pro-Rhaenys and thus am more inclined to believe him, but I do think he was largely correct on the events of the Dance of the Dragons.

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On 3/22/2023 at 11:36 PM, FictionIsntReal said:

GRRM has confirmed that Harwin did indeed father Rhaenyra's first three children:

All George confirms there is that in the show Harwin did indeed father the three boys. Which he does there. He never speaks about book Rhaenyra and book Harwin specifically.

23 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

I would say 90% of what Mushroom says is full truth or partial truth. 10% is just jokes. None of it is historically rigorous, and he has an obvious bias for Rhaenyra, but he was there for more of it than the other two (and honestly much less biased than Eustace). Maybe I like him because he was pro-Rhaenys and thus am more inclined to believe him, but I do think he was largely correct on the events of the Dance of the Dragons.

If you actually count all the instances where Mushroom is referenced, it is likely more 90% pointless/irrelevant nonsense and 10% reasonable theorizing. And also - Mushroom clearly has no bias for Rhaenyra that I can see. Go back and reread the book. He throws as much dirt at her as he does throw at Aegon II, perhaps even more.

Eustace might do twist things around exactly twice. Once when he exonerates where Aegon II was when his father died and when he claims that Aegon did not want to steal his sister's birthright (he might not have wanted to be king but most definitely not because he thought Rhaenyra was the rightful queen). And then later when he talks about Rhaenyra cutting herself on the throne and getting fat from eating to many cakes and sweets. But that's it. Most of Eustace's other stuff is more believable than anything Mushroom says.

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1 hour ago, Lord Varys said:

All George confirms there is that in the show Harwin did indeed father the three boys. Which he does there. He never speaks about book Rhaenyra and book Harwin specifically.

No, he explicitly refers to both the show & book. The article specifically refers to him wanting to write a "novella or novel", which is obviously not TV. The question he was responding to was about revisiting scenes of his own writing. He'd earlier had a question about characters in ASoIaF & F&B he'd like to explore more in which he mentioned that the latter being a history meant he was summarizing things and thus couldn't explore characters as much as he'd like. For this one he said that Harwin & Rhaenyra's relationship got to be explored more in the show than it was in F&B, but that the TV show was still constrained by its number of episodes while F&B was by its format, and it is for THAT reason that we didn't get their first kiss or what Harwin or Laenor felt about their unusual relationship. He states as fact that Harwin fathered three children, and while he's entirely capable of distinguishing between his books and their adaptation, in this video he treats them the same as that having happened. Nor would it make any sense for GRRM to write that novella/novel exploring that relationship if it didn't actually happen.

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3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

If you actually count all the instances where Mushroom is referenced, it is likely more 90% pointless/irrelevant nonsense and 10% reasonable theorizing. And also - Mushroom clearly has no bias for Rhaenyra that I can see. Go back and reread the book. He throws as much dirt at her as he does throw at Aegon II, perhaps even more.

Mushroom is right, broadly, about Rhaenyra, Criston, Daemon and Harwin. She wanted to do it with Criston so she practiced with Daemon, Criston didn't want to do it with her so she did it with Harwin. 

Eustace's excludes Criston from the thing with Daemon, has him randomly asking to run away with Rhaenyra when they hadn't done anything, and doesn't explain how Harwin ended up involved with Rhaenyra; he actually completely denies that the Strong baby rumors are true. 

Neither were right about the Harrenhal fire (unless we grant that Daemon had a habit of killing people in the way of him and Rhaenyra, meaning Mushroom was right about Daemon killing Laenor and Eustace right about Daemon killing Harwin). 

Neither are right about the Green Council, they weren't there, but Mushroom was there for the early Dragonstone stuff. 

Mushroom might be wrong about Alys Rivers' age, but I don't think he's wrong about Sara Snow existing.

On the Cargyll duel, Mushroom's is the less salacious story, and he seemed to know, at the very least, Cheese (of Blood and Cheese fame).

Mushroom was the only one there for Rhaenys' leading of the war council so he's probably right about those events; he's also probably right about Corlys and Marilda (which makes me grumpy cuz I want Longwaters to be Rhaenys-descended, but I'm making the argument for Mushroom being oftn right, so I'll accept it). 

He's probably right about Larys spreading the Maelor lie, and also the Helaena lie; everyone was wrong about the dragon Byron was trying to, and Mushroom was probably right about Daemon and Nettles. 

Mushroom was there for the riot, he is mostly reliable in its account.

And the rest is pretty set in stone: I'd say Mushroom was mostly correct about everything.

 

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13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

Mushroom is right, broadly, about Rhaenyra, Criston, Daemon and Harwin. She wanted to do it with Criston so she practiced with Daemon, Criston didn't want to do it with her so she did it with Harwin. 

Nah, the Mushroom narrative there seems to be completely invented since he actually uses the same plot device twice - back in 111 AC as well as in 113 AC. Now, Mushroom actually stumbling on Harwin and Rhaenyra abed together might be true ... but that doesn't make the other stuff correct.

And to be sure - Rhaenyra and Criston certainly can have had an affair in the book. The fact that nobody claims to have known they had one doesn't mean they didn't. It could mean they were successful at keeping it a secret. The best take on things could be that Rhaenyra-Criston had a clandestine affair going on for some time by the time the king chose a husband for her ... and then Criston realized he could not bear Rhaenyra marrying a man other than himself, summoned up his courage and asked her to run away with him and marry him abroad and she declined.

The show's take on their relationship is actually pretty good there.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

Eustace's excludes Criston from the thing with Daemon, has him randomly asking to run away with Rhaenyra when they hadn't done anything, and doesn't explain how Harwin ended up involved with Rhaenyra; he actually completely denies that the Strong baby rumors are true. 

Eustace's take both on Criston's feelings for Rhaenyra as well as for Daemon actually deflowering Rhaenyra make more sense. If Criston had repeatedly rejected Rhaenyra's advances she should have been mad with jealousy thereafter ... not him. But it seems to be the other way around.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

Neither were right about the Harrenhal fire (unless we grant that Daemon had a habit of killing people in the way of him and Rhaenyra, meaning Mushroom was right about Daemon killing Laenor and Eustace right about Daemon killing Harwin). 

The Harrenhal fire remains a mystery.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

Neither are right about the Green Council, they weren't there, but Mushroom was there for the early Dragonstone stuff. 

There is no indication that Mushroom was actually attending any Black Council session, so he is no good source on any of those, either. And Gyldayn never actually quotes Mushroom as a source for any of the Black Council talk he gives. The one exception would be Mushroom telling Jace to look for dragonseeds ... but that seems to be nonsense he invented to make himself seem important.

The sources for the Black Council are more likely to be the writings of Maester Gerardys and other courtiers on Dragonstons as well as the eventual testimonies of the survivors of the Dance who were later interviewed by Grand Maester Munkun. We can imagine the guy did talk with, say, Corlys Velaryon when he started writing his book. And while he seems to have based a lot of the Green court stuff before Rhaenyra's ascension to the throne on Orwyle's confession, Orwyle wasn't on Dragonstone and could thus have written effectively nothing about the decision-making process there.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

On the Cargyll duel, Mushroom's is the less salacious story, and he seemed to know, at the very least, Cheese (of Blood and Cheese fame).

Yes, the Mushroom story feels more realistic and more fun - but it clearly seems to have been created as the exact opposite to the more popular singers' version that would have already circulated by the time the Testimony was written down.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

Mushroom was the only one there for Rhaenys' leading of the war council so he's probably right about those events; he's also probably right about Corlys and Marilda (which makes me grumpy cuz I want Longwaters to be Rhaenys-descended, but I'm making the argument for Mushroom being oftn right, so I'll accept it). 

The Hull boys conclusion might be right, but that is Mushroom showing he has brains, not Mushroom actually witnessing something firsthand.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

He's probably right about Larys spreading the Maelor lie, and also the Helaena lie; everyone was wrong about the dragon Byron was trying to, and Mushroom was probably right about Daemon and Nettles.

Mushroom should have no clue about Daemon and Nettles - the best source on them is the maester of Maidenpool.

13 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

Mushroom was there for the riot, he is mostly reliable in its account.

Eustace was there, too. And they were both inside the castle, so they are actually poor sources on what happened in the city.

I mean, really go back and check how often Mushroom tells something that makes no sense or is irrelevant. I mean, who cares that he claims he was suspected to be involved in the murder of Aegon II and hid in a cask of flour?

15 hours ago, FictionIsntReal said:

No, he explicitly refers to both the show & book. The article specifically refers to him wanting to write a "novella or novel", which is obviously not TV. The question he was responding to was about revisiting scenes of his own writing. He'd earlier had a question about characters in ASoIaF & F&B he'd like to explore more in which he mentioned that the latter being a history meant he was summarizing things and thus couldn't explore characters as much as he'd like. For this one he said that Harwin & Rhaenyra's relationship got to be explored more in the show than it was in F&B, but that the TV show was still constrained by its number of episodes while F&B was by its format, and it is for THAT reason that we didn't get their first kiss or what Harwin or Laenor felt about their unusual relationship. He states as fact that Harwin fathered three children, and while he's entirely capable of distinguishing between his books and their adaptation, in this video he treats them the same as that having happened. Nor would it make any sense for GRRM to write that novella/novel exploring that relationship if it didn't actually happen.

All you can gain from that is that he would like to flesh out the relationship between Harwin and Rhaenyra - which could be the characters from the TV setting or a historical version of them closer to the TV setting. If George were to write an actual novella or novel from the POV of some of those characters involved then he would completely recreate the setting. FaB is a history book about historical people, not real people.

He said something similar about wanting to do the character of Viserys I justice after he watched the first season of HotD. But that also doesn't confirm that Viserys I's hobby horse was the history of Valyria or that he suffered from some kind of leprosy.

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3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

And to be sure - Rhaenyra and Criston certainly can have had an affair in the book. The fact that nobody claims to have known they had one doesn't mean they didn't. It could mean they were successful at keeping it a secret. The best take on things could be that Rhaenyra-Criston had a clandestine affair going on for some time by the time the king chose a husband for her ... and then Criston realized he could not bear Rhaenyra marrying a man other than himself, summoned up his courage and asked her to run away with him and marry him abroad and she declined.

But Rhaenyra wanting to sleep with Criston is Mushroom's view, and Criston wanting to run away with Rhaenyra is Eustace's view. 

3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Eustace's take both on Criston's feelings for Rhaenyra as well as for Daemon actually deflowering Rhaenyra make more sense. If Criston had repeatedly rejected Rhaenyra's advances she should have been mad with jealousy thereafter ... not him. But it seems to be the other way around.

But Mushroom would have to be right about Rhae propositioning him first. 

3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Mushroom should have no clue about Daemon and Nettles - the best source on them is the maester of Maidenpool.

But he's right about it, considering they use the maester of Maidenpool to make up his claims. 

3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

I mean, really go back and check how often Mushroom tells something that makes no sense or is irrelevant. I mean, who cares that he claims he was suspected to be involved in the murder of Aegon II and hid in a cask of flour?

The stuff relating to his specific involvement I think are meant to be jokes, but I think most of his history is pretty accurate. 

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3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

The fact that nobody claims to have known they had one doesn't mean they didn't.

 

Mushroom DOES claim to have known that.

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It could mean they were successful at keeping it a secret.

It's not a "secret" if their kids are being called "Strong".

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All you can gain from that is that he would like to flesh out the relationship between Harwin and Rhaenyra - which could be the characters from the TV setting or a historical version of them closer to the TV setting.

He specifically brings up their first kiss, the first time they had sex, what Harwin felt about it, how Laenor felt about it. This establishes that they really had that affair, even if we the audience hadn't gotten to see it.

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He said something similar about wanting to do the character of Viserys I justice after he watched the first season of HotD. But that also doesn't confirm that Viserys I's hobby horse was the history of Valyria or that he suffered from some kind of leprosy.

It would only confirm that if he said something about that hobby horse or leprosy specifically.

24 minutes ago, GZ Bloodraven said:

The stuff relating to his specific involvement I think are meant to be jokes, but I think most of his history is pretty accurate. 

Similarly, I think a tell for Orwyle being unreliable is when it relates closely to him, like when he claims that he rather than Beesbury spoke up for Rhaenyra.

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