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11 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

I’m still just baffled at all the praise this season is getting. This was an entire episode of nostalgia,

I'm not sure "praise" is the right word. But nostalgia can be enjoyable for its own sake.

TNG will always have a special place in my heart. It wasn't available in France in my childhood so my dad would tape it in the US and send me the VHSs by slow-mail (and it would take ages for me to get them).
Just watching a single episode of TNG was a powerful source of pleasure: this was a show I loved because it portrayed an optimistic future I could believe in, an adult show dealing with "deep" themes that I could still watch as a kid, and a source of entertainment that no one else had access to (all the other kids would watch McGyver).

So yeah the plot is crap, as usual for Picard, but getting back a few minutes of childhood here and there is still deeply enjoyable.

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15 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

I’m still just baffled at all the praise this season is getting. This was an entire episode of nostalgia, I completely lost count of how many times the composer had to drop a theme tune just to really force the point. I mean they literally dropped some characters off at the Nostalgia Museum (Things Wing), then immediately headed for the Nostalgia Museum (Ship Wing).

Well part of it has to do with the fact that the bar has been set very, VERY low by the first two seasons. Plus if nothing else, you can tell Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes and the rest of the cast have great chemistry together and honestly enjoy working together. You're right, memberberries are bad, but at this point, I'll take them over what came before. If nothing else season 3 feels like Star Trek, while seasons 1 and 2 felt more like the Witcher tv show; where you almost feel like the showrunners are mocking a beloved IP.

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8 hours ago, Rippounet said:

I'm not sure "praise" is the right word. But nostalgia can be enjoyable for its own sake.

To be clear, I didn’t mean this forum; r/startrek is fawning over this season. 

Nothing wrong with nostalgia, but this episode was 12 tablespoons of nostalgia in a cup of tea. Leaving barely any room for plot (or sense for that matter; how come they detected the ship immediately but didn’t pick up on the three people that beamed over? How come the most top secret technology is so easy to break into, you just bring a USB stick with you? Why is Data’s subconscious guarding this stuff?)

I’ll grant that this season is the least shit so far, but I still fundamentally have the same problem that I’ve had for all of Discovery and all of Picard: you can’t jam an episode full of Easter eggs to prove your credentials if at the same time, the actual plot of the episodes give off the impression that you’ve never seen it…

8 hours ago, Rippounet said:

a show I loved because it portrayed an optimistic future I could believe in

…and this nails it for me. I believed in it too. It wasn’t a show, it was a roadmap to what humanity could become. It was intended to be taken seriously as a possible outcome, and the producers and actors knew this - they knew Starfleet had to be a serious organisation, had to be played straight. Competence porn. You have a problem in the galaxy? Then you simply can’t do any better than the D showing up; jam packed with scientists, doctors, engineers, diplomats, the best on offer. They help because it’s the right thing to do, and they believe in it.

Shaw? Better hope it’s not the Titan that’s closest, will he show up at all? Not if he’s got anything to say about it. Maybe if he’s asleep and someone who gives a shit is on duty. I don’t believe in that Starfleet, I don’t believe a man like that gets admitted, let alone makes it to Captain. Raffi doesn’t have anything close to the temperament needed for command. And it just feels off to have the characters from the old Starfleet rubbing up against this strange new one. 

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There would be nothing wrong with Data being the AI used to guard the classified stuff...IF they hadn't made the Soong androids the entire thrust of the First season. If we hadn't seen Data at all, what kind of reveal could that have been during this third season? 

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20 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

…and this nails it for me. I believed in it too. It wasn’t a show, it was a roadmap to what humanity could become. It was intended to be taken seriously as a possible outcome, and the producers and actors knew this - they knew Starfleet had to be a serious organisation, had to be played straight. Competence porn. You have a problem in the galaxy? Then you simply can’t do any better than the D showing up; jam packed with scientists, doctors, engineers, diplomats, the best on offer. They help because it’s the right thing to do, and they believe in it.

I loved that about TNG too.  

I feel like TNG was Starfleet and the Federation at its absolute peak.  They were so secure in their pomp that their flagship was basically a flying town - with families on board. 

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Shaw? Better hope it’s not the Titan that’s closest, will he show up at all? Not if he’s got anything to say about it. Maybe if he’s asleep and someone who gives a shit is on duty. I don’t believe in that Starfleet, I don’t believe a man like that gets admitted, let alone makes it to Captain. Raffi doesn’t have anything close to the temperament needed for command. And it just feels off to have the characters from the old Starfleet rubbing up against this strange new one. 

By the time Shaw is a captain I get the feeling Starfleet is passed its peak.  There have been Borg attacks, the Dominion War, and everyone is more cynical and jaded.  There don't seem to be any families on board either (were there families on the Enterprise E - that seemed sleeker and fiercer than her predecessor).

I get what you're saying about Shaw.  Maybe Todd Stashwick is just too damn charismatic, but I like Shaw.  He's a dick to Seven and Picard - and that's unprofessional, unfair and not on, but at least there is a reason (I am curious how Seven and Shaw ended up on the same ship - who decided that was a good idea?).  Picard and Riker are complete hypocrites in this instance - they never liked it when an Admiral waltzed on to their ship and was clearly lying and/or taking advantage.  Frankly, they should have been as steadfast as Shaw was with them!  And it is solely by their actions that the Titan crew are in danger and now renegades.

Shaw and the Titan would definitely show up if there was a problem - but everything would be done by the book, by regulation.  I hope Shaw doesn't die: he has grown already in just these few episodes.  I think his experiences with the old crew will make him a better captain, a more optimistic one, even give him some ideals that he wants to fight for.

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With the push for a Trek Legacy show, featuring Shaw, Seven, and the various younger generation of the crew...I think it works, if they're doing it more in the style of TNG and SNW with more self contained stories...have the ship attached to the Ship Museum and be working for Commodore LaForge (fascinating that LaForge outranks Riker now, even if he'd taken time off...) and their primary mission is to search out and solve mysteries related to old (and of course) new stories...

For instance, what happened to Sela and Unification? Could we somehow forget the who JJ movie blowing up Romulus and ST Picard acknowledging that and do some good Romulan stories...maybe tap into what DS9 did during the war...?

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54 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

With the push for a Trek Legacy show, featuring Shaw, Seven, and the various younger generation of the crew...I think it works, if they're doing it more in the style of TNG and SNW with more self contained stories...have the ship attached to the Ship Museum and be working for Commodore LaForge (fascinating that LaForge outranks Riker now, even if he'd taken time off...) and their primary mission is to search out and solve mysteries related to old (and of course) new stories...

For instance, what happened to Sela and Unification? Could we somehow forget the who JJ movie blowing up Romulus and ST Picard acknowledging that and do some good Romulan stories...maybe tap into what DS9 did during the war...?

Better yet. Can someone tell the New Trek writers that the Romulans had more than one planet; in fact they had an empire that rivaled the Federation. Losing their home world would hurt them for sure, but it wouldn’t make them refugees. It would be the equivalent of the Federation losing Earth. 

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3 hours ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

With the push for a Trek Legacy show, featuring Shaw, Seven, and the various younger generation of the crew...I think it works, if they're doing it more in the style of TNG and SNW with more self contained stories...have the ship attached to the Ship Museum and be working for Commodore LaForge (fascinating that LaForge outranks Riker now, even if he'd taken time off...) and their primary mission is to search out and solve mysteries related to old (and of course) new stories...

I LOVE this idea!  Make it so :D

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Great thread. Interesting note that the USS Pioneer was swapped out for the Akira-class USS Wersching, named after the late actress who played the Borg Queen last season.

The Miranda-class is the USS Saratoga NCC-1887, the one that got zapped by the whale probe. However, it's been mocked up to resemble its successor, the NCC-31911, which was destroyed at Wolf 359 (taking Jennifer Sisko with it).

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Well...some sorta clarity on the Changeling motvation...

But who is the one pulling the Changeling strings? Vadek obviously answers to someone who isn't(?) a Changeling...at one point this week, I thought maybe Lora was going to be revealed as the ultimate Big Bad, but then, no...

 

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2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That was so incredibly random.  It feels like it was written by 3 different people and and person 1 finished a page person 2 had to pick it up… and so on…

Really? I thought it was fairly decent overall.

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20 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said:
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Whoa. It's a two part cameo...

 

 

 

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That's a relief, because if they just left Tuvok's fate as "he was tortured and then who knows" that would have sucked. 

I wish they'd made the effort to de-age him and Worf though. Not even necessarily CGI I think makeup and hair dye could have gone a long way. 

 

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