Star Trek: Attack of Shatner's Toupee Tribble

[RumHam]

Just now, Mowgli said:

I've heard a lot of good things about this season by people I trust! I'm okay with uneven shows, tbh. 

This season is by far it's best, the second season was a real chore though and the first was really iffy with an unsatisfying ending. 

I guess to go back and answer your question in a less snarky way, most of what people like about this season you probably wouldn't appreciate without a pre-existing love of the TNG characters. If this was the first season of a new science fiction show I think it'd be getting trashed. 

[Ran]

 

2 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Thank God they’ve abandoned the “Disco” Klingon redesign.

Hearing "Such Great Heights" on  from The Postal Service was unexpected and deeply nostalgic.  For those unfamiliar:

 

Man, La'an still gives massive Camina Drummer vibes, but hell, I'm all for it. Love that she appears to be showing Kirk a late 20th/early 21st century shopping trip in the holodeck. Cute.

And yeah, proper Klingons, a Klingon battlecruiser... looking good!

[RumHam]

I haven't watched the trailer yet, but I'm assuming they're all TNG Klingons? No TOS "augments?" I always thought that explanation was stupid. 

That reminds me once I finish Prodigy, Enterprise is next. I don't hate the show, but it's the only (older) one where I can't rattle off the whole bridge crew. So bland. I like Scott Bakula but Captain Archer is just kinda the worst. 

[Ran]

2 minutes ago, RumHam said:

but I'm assuming they're all TNG Klingons?

Original movies / TNG Klingons, yes.

[Jaxom 1974]

Despite any DS9 or Enterprise shenanigans to explain away the difference in Klingon physiology, I find it easier to just simply accept the were things that couldn't be done in the 60s and that it is what it is. 

[RumHam]

DS9's at least was just a little joke aknowledging it. That I'm fine with. But yeah it didn't require an explanation.

I do hope Lower Decks takes the oppertunity to mock it though. I've suggested this before, but just have one of the characters strugging with a tough decision so they go into the holodeck and watch some Discovery. Then when they leave they tell an engineer to fix the holo emitters because the Klingons are all fucked up. 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Thank God they’ve abandoned the “Disco” Klingon redesign.

I liked the Disco redesign, mostly. 'Looked more alien.

I think the JJ-verse had the best Klingon aesthetic. Especially the unused concepts from the first film.   

[Maltaran]

24 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

Despite any DS9 or Enterprise shenanigans to explain away the difference in Klingon physiology, I find it easier to just simply accept the were things that couldn't be done in the 60s and that it is what it is. 

I think that was Roddenberry’s idea when the first movie was released, just pretend Klingons always looked like that

[sifth]

The Klingons just look more iconic in the motion picture/TNG era. I’m a firm believer that if something isn’t broken, it shouldn’t be fixed. I just hope modern Trek writers know that Klingons aren’t topically portrayed as villains. If anything they’re more often portrayed as heroes.

[IheartIheartTesla]

6 hours ago, Rippounet said:

Damn, it took this trailer for me to realize Spock's Vulcan traits represent a form of autism.

Some neurodivergent folks on Facebook forums I frequent have made this exact same point (and I think some include Data amongst their rolls as well)

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

6 hours ago, Maltaran said:

I think that was Roddenberry’s idea when the first movie was released, just pretend Klingons always looked like that

Can't do it.

It's interesting to think what the reaction to the Klingons would have been like in '79 if social media existed back then. For fans of TOS, it must have been a bit weird. 

3 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Some neurodivergent folks on Facebook forums I frequent have made this exact same point (and I think some include Data amongst their rolls as well)

He got to sit in the big chair and he had a brain fart, like we often do.  Watch, by the end of the season it'll be, "Engage."

The best was in Lower Decks When the Captain says, "Hit it.", and the ships computer responds, "Hitting it." I laughed.  

[DaveSumm]

10 hours ago, Ran said:

Love that she appears to be showing Kirk a late 20th/early 21st century shopping trip in the holodeck. Cute.

I assumed time travel, as holodecks don’t exist at this point. But it wouldn’t be the most egregious altering of canon NuTrek has done if they just decided they did. Or maybe it’s an old school TOS style “this planet we found is exactly the same as Earth circa whatever year this is airing”.

[DaveSumm]

Also, re: Klingons. I think each explanation has left the door open that these aren’t ‘all’ Klingons; not all were affected by the augment virus, the Discovery ones were just some different tribes or whatever. So TOS we just happened to see augments all the time, DIS the full make up ones, then TNG style for the next century of whatever. It’s daft but it’s the situation we’ve been left with. 

[Ran]

7 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

I assumed time travel, as holodecks don’t exist at this point. 

I'm going off of La'an clearly being familiar with revolving doors. Seems to me like she's been in that place before.

[RumHam]

27 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

Also, re: Klingons. I think each explanation has left the door open that these aren’t ‘all’ Klingons; not all were affected by the augment virus, the Discovery ones were just some different tribes or whatever. So TOS we just happened to see augments all the time, DIS the full make up ones, then TNG style for the next century of whatever. It’s daft but it’s the situation we’ve been left with. 

I'm pretty sure Discovery makes a point of how whats his name lit the whatever and called a rare historic meeting of all the Klingon houses. and all their leaders looked like that. 

[Denvek]

33 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

I assumed time travel, as holodecks don’t exist at this point. But it wouldn’t be the most egregious altering of canon NuTrek has done if they just decided they did. Or maybe it’s an old school TOS style “this planet we found is exactly the same as Earth circa whatever year this is airing”.

Holodecks do exist in TOS era. The Animated Series has an episode where the Enterprise computer goes weird and traps Bones, Uhura and Sulu in the holodeck.

[SpaceChampion]

Cmdr. Tucker experienced a holodeck in one of the early ENT episodes, but it was on an alien vessel.

Picard Finale:

Spoiler

President Anton Chekov!  Pavel's son?  And honoring Anton Yeltsin.

If there is a ST:Legacy show, they've already set up most of the bridge crew for it, and the right ship with the proper name.

 

Interesting, on twitter the phrase "stuck the landing" is being repeated a lot, which is something I was saying with Matalas every season of 12 Monkeys. 

Edited April 20, 2023 by SpaceChampion

[sifth]

4 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

I assumed time travel, as holodecks don’t exist at this point. But it wouldn’t be the most egregious altering of canon NuTrek has done if they just decided they did. Or maybe it’s an old school TOS style “this planet we found is exactly the same as Earth circa whatever year this is airing”.

Actually holodecks do exist at this point. They were used at least once, in Star Trek the animated series and season 1 of Discovery.

[sifth]

4 hours ago, RumHam said:

I'm pretty sure Discovery makes a point of how whats his name lit the whatever and called a rare historic meeting of all the Klingon houses. and all their leaders looked like that. 

The "in universe" reason why they look so different in season 1 of Discovery, is that Klingons apparently cut their hair, when they go to war. Which to be honest, is more proof that the creators of that show, never have seen Star Trek before, since we've seen Klingons go to war many times, without this ever being the case. It's funny that we live in a world where wiki exists and it would only take about ten minutes worth of research to find this info.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Spoiler

I’m sorry.  That had plot holes ten miles wide.  Left most of the questions unanswered in favor of nostalgia porn.  I honestly didn’t enjoy that.  The story was threadbair at best and was so saccharine it dripped with sentimentality.

If Earth falls “everything falls”?  How anthropocenteric has Crusher gotten in her later years? 

It feels like the showrunners said “as long as these people are on screen together… the story doesn’t matter”.  That’s such weak sauce… was Enterpise-F destroyed?  When did Lane send that officer review?  Where was Janeway?  Q… what the fuck?  It was… not good.

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Ser Scot A Ellison