Curled Finger Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, Morte said: Has anyone already mentioned Podrick? Yep, but he deserves several mentions. Good on ya! Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) Barry the Bold Edited March 29 by TheLastWolf Morte 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Most Unlikely Character to Turn Villainous? The single most relevant factor is age. Barristan Selmy is who he is and who he will be until the end. A gallant, moral knight. He made mistakes in the past when he served the Usurper but he has found his Queen. Barristan Selmy is not going to change. He is what the years and his choices have made him. Only 89 selfies today and X-Buster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZ Bloodraven Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, Here's Looking At You, Kid said: The single most relevant factor is age. Barristan Selmy is who he is and who he will be until the end. A gallant, moral knight. He made mistakes in the past when he served the Usurper but he has found his Queen. Barristan Selmy is not going to change. He is what the years and his choices have made him. Barristan Selmy didn't protect his queen from being raped, and seems to feel almost no remorse considering his scorn of Jaime for killing his queen's rapist. Ser Arthurs Dawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/28/2023 at 11:57 AM, The Commentator said: Arya is already a villain and has become evil. Bran is heading there too. Bran is not heading there. Arya, is a bit iffy. She murdered a conman and Daeron was a deserter. But I could see her mercing some people to get to the true villains. Like Walder Frey and Cersei Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiring Nectarines Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 I think it is unlikely that Ned Stark will turn villainous at this stage Aldarion, astarkchoice, Curled Finger and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 20 hours ago, King Maegor the Cool said: Bran is not heading there. Arya, is a bit iffy. She murdered a conman and Daeron was a deserter. But I could see her mercing some people to get to the true villains. Like Walder Frey and Cersei Lannister Nothing iffy about Arya. She is already one of the villains. She became that after murdering the two in Bravos. kissdbyfire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZ Bloodraven Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 13 minutes ago, The Commentator said: Nothing iffy about Arya. She is already one of the villains. She became that after murdering the two in Bravos. I just wouldn't consider a POV character a "villain" of the story, we are supposed to be on all of their teams. This is why I don't like the "Cersei is a villain people" like, she's a villain in Ned's story, but we are now "on her team" in some meaningful sense. To think of Arya as "one of the villains" because she murdered two people, when so has Daenerys, and so has Cersei, and so has Jon, and so has Tyrion, is just counterproductive and suggests a lack of empathetic ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron the Daring Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Hot Pie will eventually turn evil. At some point, he's gonna become Cold Pie and lead the army of the dead. Craving Peaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiring Nectarines Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 hours ago, GZ Bloodraven said: I just wouldn't consider a POV character a "villain" of the story, we are supposed to be on all of their teams. This is why I don't like the "Cersei is a villain people" like, she's a villain in Ned's story, but we are now "on her team" in some meaningful sense. To think of Arya as "one of the villains" because she murdered two people, when so has Daenerys, and so has Cersei, and so has Jon, and so has Tyrion, is just counterproductive and suggests a lack of empathetic ability. I get where you're coming from but I don't think being able to see inside her head makes Cersei any less a villain. She's pretty much the only character who became less sympathetic after getting a PoV. astarkchoice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZ Bloodraven Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 18 minutes ago, Alester Florent said: I get where you're coming from but I don't think being able to see inside her head makes Cersei any less a villain. She's pretty much the only character who became less sympathetic after getting a PoV. I also get where you're coming from, but I found Cersei more sympathetic, in that the actions she's taking fit with her twisted logic even if they are completely and utterly...misinformed. Like, I understood where she was coming from better even though the stuff she was doing was crazy. I wish that was how the people who don't like Arya understood Arya: even as they get more irrational and violent and dangerous, we should still be somewhat "on their team" when we are with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 5 hours ago, Daeron the Daring said: Hot Pie will eventually turn evil. At some point, he's gonna become Cold Pie and lead the army of the dead. His heir Pumpkin Pie is The Night King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Buster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Any character can go villain. None are morally in the safe zone. George Martin can surprise us at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 3/30/2023 at 1:28 AM, Alester Florent said: I think it is unlikely that Ned Stark will turn villainous at this stage Ser gregor and w royce would disagree with death being a hinderance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 11 hours ago, Daeron the Daring said: Hot Pie will eventually turn evil. At some point, he's gonna become Cold Pie and lead the army of the dead. Pfft he doednt need to man He needs no army, the deliciousness of his baking will conquer the word! Restuarants in every major city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, astarkchoice said: Pfft he doednt need to man He needs no army, the deliciousness of his baking will conquer the word! Restuarants in every major city Hot Pie will become a master poisoner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desiring Nectarines Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, astarkchoice said: Ser gregor and w royce would disagree with death being a hinderance I don't really consider that wights count for the purposes of a character "turning evil" or what have you. Of course it comes in degrees... Beric largely maintains continuity of character, but I think Lady Stoneheart is a different character from Cat. And the Others' wights even moreso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingStoneheart Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Out of the POVs, I have got to say Brienne and Davos. Everyone else already has questionable morales or has the potential to go down a villainous route Morte and Aldarion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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